- Location
- South Wales UK
Farmers protests Berlin
- Thread starter Still Farming
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- Location
- Limousin, France
Price of Chems is shocking. No Red diesel for tractors in Germany, you pay White price, a lot just pull in the supermarket to fill up. You get a part rebate per Hc. at the end of your tax year.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
Same here you just don't have to pay the tax in the form of Road User Charges for tractors (I don't think) Quite often see a tractor at the pumps.
Currently $1.90 a litre about 95pence.
FonterraFarmer
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- Location
- Waikato, New Zealand
RUC's for tractors is in the Rego.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Soon be over here they way this Welsh Assembly is operating????
- Location
- fakenham-norfolk
I note from the news today that the protests have expanded somewhat with major farmer led disruption across all states in Germany. At least 2000 tractors in Berlin alone.At last some farmers along with the Dutch standing up to their crap anti farmer policies.
To be fair this is another case of government fiddling with basic industries. Who cares about the price of diesel if the end product sensibly bears the cost.
essex man
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- colchester
Farmers are receiving a "world market price" for their grain, maybe feel like they should pay a "world market price" for their diesel i.e. without tax
Whichever way you cut the cake food production and security should be a national concern and definately viable.. Cut the smoke and mirrors.
German government having lost cheap Russian energy are now desperate to replace it with Ukrainian energy whatever it takes, German superiority in Europe has always been a priority for many German politicians.
If they are now to get them into the EU & under effective German control farm support has to change to make it workable.
www.euractiv.com
If they are now to get them into the EU & under effective German control farm support has to change to make it workable.
Scholz berates EU allies over ‘insufficient’ military support for Ukraine
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Monday (8 January) the majority of countries in the European Union were not delivering sufficient weapons to Ukraine to help it battle a Russian invasion, calling upon allies to increase their efforts.
www.euractiv.com
- Location
- Limousin, France
So let me get this straight. German farmers organise themselves into a cohesive unit, to protest against goverment policy, which they see as negative to their interests.
French farmers regularly do likewise, and do it with passion. Dutch farmers also in recent times have organised and protested. Irish farmers have gridlocked Dublin city and surrounding motorways, to get their point across. That there folks, manifests free democracy, in countries and societies, where farmers know their vote counts within proper PR represented parliaments. That’s democracy, where people including farmers, have a say, have the tools to agitate for their rights and a representative political system, which ensures they are heard and respected.
Meanwhile, over on Blighty, farmers themselves aren’t properly organised. They just come on forums like TFF to bitch, moan and whimper. Their undemocratic donkey derby, FPTP electoral system, and ingrained Tory political establishment, neither cares for farmers, or rural constituencies, or indeed needs their votes.
Rest assured of one thing folks, a farmer in the EU, has one hell of a better outlook than the poor compatriot in Global Britain.
French farmers regularly do likewise, and do it with passion. Dutch farmers also in recent times have organised and protested. Irish farmers have gridlocked Dublin city and surrounding motorways, to get their point across. That there folks, manifests free democracy, in countries and societies, where farmers know their vote counts within proper PR represented parliaments. That’s democracy, where people including farmers, have a say, have the tools to agitate for their rights and a representative political system, which ensures they are heard and respected.
Meanwhile, over on Blighty, farmers themselves aren’t properly organised. They just come on forums like TFF to bitch, moan and whimper. Their undemocratic donkey derby, FPTP electoral system, and ingrained Tory political establishment, neither cares for farmers, or rural constituencies, or indeed needs their votes.
Rest assured of one thing folks, a farmer in the EU, has one hell of a better outlook than the poor compatriot in Global Britain.
The sad thing for the UK is that we are lumbered with the NFU to give us direction, the NFU are in the pockets of the government, supermarkets & vast estates & work for them long before farmers interests.
- Location
- Limousin, France
Are they stopping you getting in your tractor and blocking roads?
Are they stopping Truckers joining you?
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
Do you think there's the same diverse mix of farmers in other countries as there is in the UK.
Look at all the different situations on TFF alone, how do you combine all those people into one goal. Lots aren't even farmers; they just claim to be for tax reasons.
And what does everyone actually want?
- Location
- Northumberland
The German farmers protests: are they organised spontaneously via social media etc or are they supported centrally by a farming union?
- Location
- Northumberland
I suppose you do a fair bit of quiet bitching before you head out to protest.
I also think that the problem we’d have here is trying to take the General Public with us. I assume that in the continent the average person is not as far removed from ag as in the UK. There’s a big chance that here, if we went out blocking roads and trundling into cities, we’d be seen as little better than Stop Oil protesters and would be cracked down on accordingly. Worse maybe if we are ‘worried about our incomes’ while we sit in row after row of 200K tractors. Could alienate a LOT of people here, especially when the mainstream media would probably not be on our side.
- Location
- Northumberland
Question:
Can you head out on an ag protest on red or do you have to drain the tank and fill up with DERV?
Can you head out on an ag protest on red or do you have to drain the tank and fill up with DERV?
To be fair our government has been driving the thin end of the wedge for years. The tax on fuel concessions came in when tractors travelled at fifteen miles an hour and towed three ton trailers over very limited distances. The situation has changed because farmers and associates used loopholes to provide cheap heavy goods transport. The construction industry lost its concesssions on rebated diesel even though most of the machinery never set foot on a road.
However you view this, fuel tax was levied in the UK to maintain roads and rebated in the case of non road use. Any deviation from that is a stealth tax, otherwise what is the fuel tax for? We all know the answer because it is simply a tax to fund the central pot, in much the same way as National insurance is another form of income tax. We have to pay taxes to support the infrastructure and the system needs simplifying and the infrastructure needs pruning. More clarity and less bullpooh would be helpful.
However you view this, fuel tax was levied in the UK to maintain roads and rebated in the case of non road use. Any deviation from that is a stealth tax, otherwise what is the fuel tax for? We all know the answer because it is simply a tax to fund the central pot, in much the same way as National insurance is another form of income tax. We have to pay taxes to support the infrastructure and the system needs simplifying and the infrastructure needs pruning. More clarity and less bullpooh would be helpful.