Filing of movement records etc

[glow worm]

Before I tell you why I'm asking, how long do you all keep all breeding, movement, calving etc records? I always thought it was 7 to 10 years?

 

[Tarw Coch]

I thought 7 years was statutory but chances of them getting slung..........I mean record keeping good housekeeping after that is slim

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Livestock records are I believe all three years. Certainly that is for movements.

 

[glow worm]

Nah!! Try again. I know someone who has just had a RPA eartag inspection and will be getting a non conformance comment on the end report as the movement or death of 3 baby calves and 3 cows were not showing up on BCMS. Guess how many years they had to go back .. and they were able to, much to the inspectors surprise, using on farm records.. but as it wasn't on CTS, it didn't count as 'proof'. I'll give you a clue. You are WAY, WAY out with both 3 and 7 years!!

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Just looked it up and it is ten years for cattle and three years for sheep after the sheep has left the holding.

Cattle records for what go through markets are three years.

 

[jendan]

Nah!! Try again. I know someone who has just had a RPA eartag inspection and will be getting a non conformance comment on the end report as the movement or death of 3 baby calves and 3 cows were not showing up on BCMS. Guess how many years they had to go back .. and they were able to, much to the inspectors surprise, using on farm records.. but as it wasn't on CTS, it didn't count as 'proof'. I'll give you a clue. You are WAY, WAY out with both 3 and 7 years!!

Do you not think these "inspectors" are going over the top with all this? It just makes them pure jobsworths. If an animal is dead..........it is dead!

 

[Pan mixer]

No point chucking away the movement book, fascinating reading in future years, ours goes back at least 70 years.

 

[matthew]

No point chucking away the movement book, fascinating reading in future years, ours goes back at least 70 years.

We’ve got grandad’s too, going back to the 1950s. Our birth book goes back to 1971.
But could this be a can of the proverbial if these handwritten historical scribes are to be used against us now?

We have a couple of eartags available to use on CTS, which were attached to the ears of two b/w bull calves, about 25 years ago. Market receipts show them sold, but no one can seem to get these OAPs removed.

 

[glow worm]

Never throw away anything to do with the herd! My friend was asked to account for three B&W calves that were, according to BCMS, apparently still alive and kicking on farm, aged 24!!! They dug out a herd book going back to 1969 to show that the 3 calves did indeed leave the farm in 1997. This was only partially successful as not accepted as proven as not 'official' CTS records and no, I kid you not. They really did want details from 24 years ago! Print outs of whole herd TB tests were not acceptable either for a variety of reasons. Digging deep into my memory, I seem to remember that 1997 was during BSE and there was some sort of official scheme to cull B&W calves, and I'm sure if my friend had the time and inclination to go digging through their records, they would find the relevant proof. My only observation is 'oh, get a life!'

 

[Sid]

No point chucking away the movement book, fascinating reading in future years, ours goes back at least 70 years.

I have movement book from 1945 when Grandfather became an Attested herd.
Can trace bloodline all the way back and we're not even pedigree!
But somehow a cow with a bit of paper that's been graded up is worth more. Madness

 

[Sid]

We’ve got grandad’s too, going back to the 1950s. Our birth book goes back to 1971.
But could this be a can of the proverbial if these handwritten historical scribes are to be used against us now?

We have a couple of eartags available to use on CTS, which were attached to the ears of two b/w bull calves, about 25 years ago. Market receipts show them sold, but no one can seem to get these OAPs removed.

Never throw away anything to do with the herd! My friend was asked to account for three B&W calves that were, according to BCMS, apparently still alive and kicking on farm, aged 24!!! They dug out a herd book going back to 1969 to show that the 3 calves did indeed leave the farm in 1997. This was only partially successful as not accepted as proven as not 'official' CTS records and no, I kid you not. They really did want details from 24 years ago! Print outs of whole herd TB tests were not acceptable either for a variety of reasons. Digging deep into my memory, I seem to remember that 1997 was during BSE and there was some sort of official scheme to cull B&W calves, and I'm sure if my friend had the time and inclination to go digging through their records, they would find the relevant proof. My only observation is 'oh, get a life!'

Must be RT traceability failure

 

[deleted user 837354]

I wouldn't throw anything away, but I would make a point of either scanning documents in or photographing them, putting them in OneNote or similar and then burning/shredding the actual physical copies. Online far better and frees up space.

 

[Cowmansam]

Till it gets lost