Foreign aid reduction.

[BrianV]

id have thought that more labours issue,considering previous govts id think the country stands more chance than it did, the last time agriculture or fishing had any clout was pre eu in the 70s

My late father always told me, farmers always vote Tory but do far better under a Labour government, maybe that still rings true!

 

[essex man]

The Government chose what advise to follow there was plenty of advise contrary to that the Government chose to take however once a path was taken no dissent was allowed except the nutters talking about 5g masts etc even though a lot of scientists from places like Kings College or Cambridge had different ideas on which path to take.
Anyway James how goes it on the farm today? Or are you just taking time out to push Boris’s message?

Friend of mine was forced to resign as a government health and economic advisor due to amongst other things...
They were withholding the bonus element of his pay for "telling the truth to ministers"(I have seen the email stating this)

Also, changing his advice and recommendations to suit policy and leaving his signature at the bottom.

As a scientist you are there to provide advice they need to enable them to enact populist policies.

 

[jamesmartin]

My late father always told me, farmers always vote Tory but do far better under a Labour government, maybe that still rings true!

so did mine but that was back in the 70s also

 

[uztrac]

I would welcome an ITEMISED list of where and for what was our monies utilized for during say 2010 to 2020.
I have asked my MP but zero response.Anyone on here with an inkling of where the £ Billions have gone ???

 

[Wellytrack]

I would rather send some money to some poor beings literally without a pot to pi$h in overseas than the entitled overbreeding vermin in our own country..

 

[BrianV]

I would welcome an ITEMISED list of where and for what was our monies utilized for during say 2010 to 2020.
I have asked my MP but zero response.Anyone on here with an inkling of where the £ Billions have gone ???

Over the last ten years the UK alone has given over one hundred Billion pounds you would have thought all that money would have done some good, maybe each giving country should help only one country alone, that way we could see the benefit

 

[Lowland1]

DevTracker Country Kenya Summary Page

The Development Tracker uses open data on international development published in the International Aid Transparency Initiative (IATI) open data standard by the UK Government and partners to show where the UK is investing in developing countries.

devtracker.fcdo.gov.uk

You can actually find stuff out. It actually has done some good but it is actually a drop in the ocean.

 

[uztrac]

DevTracker Country Kenya Summary Page

The Development Tracker uses open data on international development published in the International Aid Transparency Initiative (IATI) open data standard by the UK Government and partners to show where the UK is investing in developing countries.

devtracker.fcdo.gov.uk

You can actually find stuff out. It actually has done some good but it is actually a drop in the ocean.

Looked at your link thanks>Very wishy washy no Itemised details of what the cash was spent on ie. Ambulances purchased,teachers salaries financed etc etc.We seem to be funding other aid agencies who are not the most proactive on the ground.I can tell you that from my 20 years on the ground in North Africa.

 

[Lowland1]

Looked at your link thanks>Very wishy washy no Itemised details of what the cash was spent on ie. Ambulances purchased,teachers salaries financed etc etc.We seem to be funding other aid agencies who are not the most proactive on the ground.I can tell you that from my 20 years on the ground in North Africa.

If it’s not channelled through these agencies you either have to give it directly to Governments many of whom are corrupt and incompetent or you have to monitor it yourselfk which considering most diplomats and civil servants employed by the foreign office only work about a 20 hour week isn’t going to work. There is a definate need for a shake up in the way foreign aid is delivered but the truth is even in the UK the way taxpayers money is spent is not correctly controlled.

 

[uztrac]

If it’s not channelled through these agencies you either have to give it directly to Governments many of whom are corrupt and incompetent or you have to monitor it yourselfk which considering most diplomats and civil servants employed by the foreign office only work about a 20 hour week isn’t going to work. There is a definate need for a shake up in the way foreign aid is delivered but the truth is even in the UK the way taxpayers money is spent is not correctly controlled.

I could not agree more !!!!

 

[capfits]

Is anyone watching newsnight is currently giving the govt a good run for the proposed reduction in foreign aid. How much more can the tax payers of this country be expected to take?

Just curious as to what you think of military spending?
I mean it could be situation where we have say 100000000 quid jet with a £5000000 pilot in it dropping a £150000 piece of ordinance on folk that live on £20 a week in a mission that may cost upwards of £50000 an hour to facilitate.
Any thoughts?

 

[wanton dwarf]

News night has never represented the general public they watch Eastenders or Coronation Street or Strictly . The general public generally aren’t very bright and are pretty selfish. Just election fodder wake them up every five years and point them in the direction you want them to go a bit like sheep but not quite as sensible.

Don't agree with this at all - quite the reverse in fact.

The general public do a damn good job in their daily lives. SOME are not up to the job but most are, they run a household and raise a family on far less money than the majority of the Civil Service, MPs and Lords.

The general public are pretty damn good.

Let's face it, if the politicians did NOTHING the country would be in a far better state.

Time the general public ran the show rather than upper class rich good for nothings or jaded racist, sexist and ageist Marxists.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Foreign aid is, and always has been a very good way of getting subsidised UK products and knowledge into developing counties and tying them into UK expertise. With the right projects its money very well spent for both parties. After all, you don't think the Chinese are just doing these massive projects out of ultraism?

The UK doesn't have any "Products", who are you trying to kid ?

The Chinese are creating infrastructure to gain the raw materials required to fund the state and military machine - same as the USA has done for the past 80 years.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The UK doesn't have any "Products", who are you trying to kid ?

The Chinese are creating infrastructure to gain the raw materials required to fund the state and military machine - same as the USA has done for the past 80 years.

Implementing and managing aid or development projects is one of the things the UK is actually ruddy good at.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Implementing and managing aid or development projects is one of the things the UK is actually ruddy good at.

Hahahahahaha !

How the hell would YOU know ?

Aid .. seems to come with very large wages, cars, houses and bank accounts.

I bet there are loads of farms in Africa and other businesses which have been totally funded from UK tax payers and now owned by Politicans, Civil Servants and "Charity Workers".

It's a massive con.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Hahahahahaha !

How the hell would YOU know ?

Aid .. seems to come with very large wages, cars, houses and bank accounts.

I bet there are loads of farms in Africa and other businesses which have been totally funded from UK tax payers and now owned by Politicans, Civil Servants and "Charity Workers".

It's a massive con.

I've been involved in quite a few livestock and veterinary projects over the years in developing countries. Some have worked well, others have been a ruddy mess for one reason or another, but it's the nature of the game.

 

[Lowland1]

Hahahahahaha !

How the hell would YOU know ?

Aid .. seems to come with very large wages, cars, houses and bank accounts.

I bet there are loads of farms in Africa and other businesses which have been totally funded from UK tax payers and now owned by Politicans, Civil Servants and "Charity Workers".

It's a massive con.

i’d say today that’s 100% wrong. In the days of the cold war cash money was pumped into Africa to make sure that they faced the right way nowadays Aid is much more focused. Obviously if you’re the white man in charge you will have a big salary and a big car etc but today most of it is locally administered and it will be audited and checked. I’m not a big fan of any charity be it in Africa or in UK where 22 million people recieve some form of money from the State. The UK spent £14.5 billion on foreign aid in 2020 but obesity costs the NHS £5.1 billion a year and will double in next twenty years in fact obesity costs UK society £27.1 billion a year in total nearly twice what is spent on foreign aid. Fat greedy gits i’d say.

http://obesityhealthalliance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/OHA-briefing-paper-Costs-of-Obesity-.pdf

 

[wanton dwarf]

i’d say today that’s 100% wrong. In the days of the cold war cash money was pumped into Africa to make sure that they faced the right way nowadays Aid is much more focused. Obviously if you’re the white man in charge you will have a big salary and a big car etc but today most of it is locally administered and it will be audited and checked. I’m not a big fan of any charity be it in Africa or in UK where 22 million people recieve some form of money from the State. The UK spent £14.5 billion on foreign aid in 2020 but obesity costs the NHS £5.1 billion a year and will double in next twenty years in fact obesity costs UK society £27.1 billion a year in total nearly twice what is spent on foreign aid. Fat greedy gits i’d say.

http://obesityhealthalliance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/OHA-briefing-paper-Costs-of-Obesity-.pdf

People die of something all the time .. if it wasn't "Obesity" it would be something else. The pretense that money is being saved is not the case. They live a few months or even years longer but they will still end up being ill, taking medicines and eventually dying - are we all "Supposed" to die in the most efficient way possible ? Who and WHY is this even being discussed ? Those who are putting forward this agenda probably are the most useless bunch of parasites in existence, most normal people are too busy working to exist.

The total rate of death will be the same based on the birth rate 80 odd years ago .. whether it's delayed a few months or years is not that relevant. Most of those dying will not be working .. hence no tax loss, no productively loss .. it's irrelevant and just a media tactic to hammer the general public with.

Let's face it, if it was left down to economists and civil servants we'd all be given death pills at the end of our productive lives. After we've made those very same people rich whilst they did very little - from memory Civil Servants retire 10 years before tax payers.

If people want to eat themselves to death THAT is their right .. says something about the crappy society we live in but it is still their right to do so - given THEY earnt the money. Same with someone who splats themselves in a fast car or falls off a Cliff.

Nobody else has a right to the money what-so-ever.

 

[Lowland1]

People die of something all the time .. if it wasn't "Obesity" it would be something else. The pretense that money is being saved is not the case. They live a few months or even years longer but they will still end up being ill, taking medicines and eventually dying - are we all "Supposed" to die in the most efficient way possible ? Who and WHY is this even being discussed ? Those who are putting forward this agenda probably are the most useless bunch of parasites in existence, most normal people are too busy working to exist.

The total rate of death will be the same based on the birth rate 80 odd years ago .. whether it's delayed a few months or years is not that relevant. Most of those dying will not be working .. hence no tax loss, no productively loss .. it's irrelevant and just a media tactic to hammer the general public with.

Let's face it, if it was left down to economists and civil servants we'd all be given death pills at the end of our productive lives. After we've made those very same people rich whilst they did very little - from memory Civil Servants retire 10 years before tax payers.

If people want to eat themselves to death THAT is their right .. says something about the crappy society we live in but it is still their right to do so - given THEY earnt the money. Same with someone who splats themselves in a fast car or falls off a Cliff.

Nobody else has a right to the money what-so-ever.

A lot of the reasons put forward here for cutting aid is that poor UK taxpayer can’t afford it but the truth of it is we waste plenty of money anyway and what goes overseas is a drop in the ocean. Now if the Government said this year we are going to put the £ 14 billion spent on aid this year into council housing or something similar who could argue but it will just disappear into a black hole anyway home or away.

 

[wanton dwarf]

A lot of the reasons put forward here for cutting aid is that poor UK taxpayer can’t afford it but the truth of it is we waste plenty of money anyway and what goes overseas is a drop in the ocean. Now if the Government said this year we are going to put the £ 14 billion spent on aid this year into council housing or something similar who could argue but it will just disappear into a black hole anyway home or away.

That's your interpretation. A typical Liberal attitude where you have decided that someone else's money, politics, way of life, ethics etc is incorrect.

You are wrong. Not just a little bit wrong but entirely incorrect.

You have NO right to decide what I want to do, when I want to do it and how.

The truth is I want my money spent in the UK .. you have no right to come up with excuses to wipe out my decision to that effect.

In fact IF your opinion is in anyway valid then that makes my right to wipe out your basis instead. If YOU want to divert your money, your time or your life to some cause do it.

The truth is that £14 Billion WOULD have an effect .. you're just too ignorant, jaded, biased and politically correct to even accept the fact.