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- Ledbury, Herefordshire
No, its because you live in a bedsit and a two/one hotplate and a microwave is all that will fit
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Foresight Obesity System Map
- Thread starter Chris F
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- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
Why has Covid hit the developed world harder than the underdeveloped world. Because you can eat rubbish you don’t worry about looking after yourselves because you can get heart pills and injections for diabetes etc and just go on as before and when a new disease comes along obviously well it’s nobodies fault you just have to wait for the pharmaceutical industry to save you and as a big thank you Governments will make it compulsory for you take take your medicine for ever.
deleted user 837354
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That is a myth. It has hit the developed world harder because the developed world has better testing and diagnosis. There are also strong social and cultural expectations in some regions about what seeking medical help looks like- some cultures rely on the local faith healer, others rely on herbal or traditional medicines.
People in the developing world get heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, you name it- because many of these ailments have a genetic basis. They just go undiagnosed and untreated.
- Location
- Northern Ireland
Absolutely this, and there has been little to no marketing to the opposite, in fact its now marketed to accept being heavier as a normal, or healthy or natural way to be. Its scary to see the number of health professionals who will have negative health consequences due to being overweight, or politicians that are downright obese in positions such as health minister.
*This is not a rant about the overweight or obese, but rather a rant about the lack of motivation to stop it.
Exactly this too. It's very evident that not many here have been in this sort of situation, or realise the eating situation others are in due to lack of education, finances or habits.
UK Sugar tax is introduced, sugar intake from fizzy drinks falls by 10%. Increase in zero calorie drinks rise instead, what is truly worse for us? Its hard to know.
I agree but there is an equilibrium; slapping a tax on something without using that tax wisely elsewhere to also counteract the effect just results in higher food prices for everyone.
Now rising a tax and using the money from that tax to promote healthy eating, a more active lifestyle, education, cooking utensils and facilities or by subsidising healthier food (imagine that? They'd probably subsidise veg from other countries but not the UK) would be an excellent approach.
What is more likely? They'll rise the tax, chuck it at the NHS, and it'll be swallowed up, very few would be better off.
We've hit a pandemic where a damned high amount of the population which are dying are from comorbities (obesity in particular). What was our solution? Lock everyone down, encourage work from home, encourage multiple vaccinations but not a single mention of the importance of a healthy lifestyle.
Where does the answer really lie? Probably a mix of taxation, encouragement and education.
I have no issue with taxation ............ in the right places
- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
No it is not a myth. I live it everyday. We have 450 people who come to work everyday and have to come to work everyday to earn money to eat. Throughout this our absenteeism has been lower than ever because people have feared for their futures. They are stronger than in the west because if you survive to the age of five here you will be pretty strong. Amongst the poor diabetes and heart ailments are unknown however when people get money then their diet changes and these diseases are seen. Covid here hasn't touched the poor but it has touched the rich those whose diets have more meat and more alcohol in them have suffered. My father in law was a General Surgeon and a GP when he retired so i'be learnt a bit from him.
deleted user 837354
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It is myth. As I have just stated, the incidence of these kinds of diseases aren't drastically different across the world, they just go undiagnosed. It is true that a diet rich in fat and salt does not help matters but to claim that poor people in the world don't get anything wrong with them is false.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Junk food is expensive, far cheaper to buy straight s and cook your own
- Location
- Ceredigion
Depends who you want to educate
Obesity is a side issue , anyone who thinks they can eat junk because they never put on weight is a fool , I was that fool
Forget Obesity and educate everyone
Covid mortality is directly related to obesity (I posted a link to a study a weeks ago that directly connected BMI to need for ITC beds). ....... and obesity is highest in richest countries which are also the most obece .......money makes us fatter and being fatter makes us ill
- Location
- North Somerset.
@Clive . Junk food already is the most expensive option.
As one who does his own shopping and cooking I know how cheap and easy it is to put a balanced meal cooked from scratch on the plate. A slow cooker, 10 minutes preparation first thing. Home in the evening 10 minutes to cook the veg job done. Same with a roast. Doesn’t matter how many you are feeding just use a bigger pot.
The supermarket cartel have convinced Ms Dopey housewife that she doesn’t have the time to cook, better to grab something by way of a ready meal which is handily placed at eye level along with all of the rest of the items that yield the best margin. More time for Wayne and Wayneta Slob to watch mind numbing tv and reality shows.
If you can’t make it from scratch in your own kitchen don’t eat it.(apart from the occasional night out on the beer with a doner kebab to finish)
- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
Most of the diseases you quote are self inflicted due to diet. There might be the genetic potential but if you eat a better diet for whatever reason . It won’t come to the fore.
You would think so but I really don't think its is if you are prepared to eat rubbish - look how cheap a packet of own brand chocolate biscuits is in a supermarket and how many Kcal eating the entire packet would provide. - 22p for well over 2000KCal !! https://groceries.aldi.co.uk/en-GB/p-belmont-bourbon-creams-200g/4088600291116
or juts how many thousand Kcal you can get in Big Mac for just £3.29. ready to eat !!
Im sure there are more extreme examples - these are just a couple I found in a 30sec search ! - I bet you could get a weeks worth of Kcal for under a coupe, of £'s if you tried ....... Kcal that will keep you alive ........... for a while that is
Fresh veg is expensive by comparison and requires time and education to be able to prepare it - you can feed yourself cheaply on fresh veg but most don't know how
the problem is cost AND education I think
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- Location
- North Somerset.
Society that is picking up the bills for these self inflicted ills needs to stop apologising for these idiots who won’t look after them selves and it needs to deal with the purveyors of junk food. However that would mean government would have to take on multinational corporations and they don’t seem to have the stones for that.
- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
When people go to the doctor they are looking for a cure. They need some medicine they don't want to be told 'you''re too fat go away and eat less eat better and exercise ' Doctors don't want to tell the truth and the pharmaceutical industry isn't so keen either.
deleted user 837354
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Diet is a factor for many of them but it is not the only factor. The bulk of these diseases are linked to age and genetics. They will be massively unreported in the developing world for reasons I have already discussed.
- Location
- Ceredigion
So everyone is hospital is obese, ? forget Covid for now
I've been 12 stone most of my life , not overweight for 5ft 11
I'm not saying junk food is the couse of all ills , but it's a big factor ,it certainly was in my case, I'm getting the impression your trying to excuse yourself
I'm concerned about taxing more junk food. It may just impoverish more people.
The alternative I suppose is how do you make better food more accessible and cheap? - I'd love to see a national street food initiative where low cost food can be easily bought from vendors producing from their own kitchens ie curry, Dahl, cawl, etc.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Can you guys define Junk
As all the stuff I avoid is not cheap
And is fizzy pop and all those drinks cheaper than water
So you educate kids to Ditch fizzy drinks and save them a fortune
As all the stuff I avoid is not cheap
And is fizzy pop and all those drinks cheaper than water
So you educate kids to Ditch fizzy drinks and save them a fortune
eat what you like as long as its not binging and only thing i would advise is careful not to overdo the dijon on yer ham sand wich
