Courier
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Not such a bad thing really. Speaking as someone who's dad asked his son to shoot him. "Wouldn't put a beast through this".
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Not such a bad thing really. Speaking as someone who's dad asked his son to shoot him. "Wouldn't put a beast through this".
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If you did put an animal though the equivalent of human end of life care you would probably get put in jail for cruelty.
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- East yorks
My mum who died in her early 60's a few years ago from a highly aggressive degenerative disease that left her needing 6hrs of care a day and at the end could only move here neck, always said she wished when she was first diagnosed she had gone straight to Switzerland.
Having dealt with private care companies some I wouldn't pay in washers they were truly hopeless (I could use a lot stronger words) and there is no way I would sell my house to pay for some of those f&cking clowns.
Some of the carers were good though and in the end we ended up employing the carers direct.
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Taxes from London have been massiv
With a slice of the City moved to Frankfurt and such, and May having restricted immigration to a few tens of thousands pa, the economy will generate less and less tax and the population will get greyer faster in turn needing more and more tax take to fund elderly care. Oh no. Scrap that. The NHS won't have the immigrants to provide the care !!
Read up on the decline of Japan!!!
If you can have it read by Monday, I reckon you won't be able to stop yourself going out to canvas for Corbyn from Tuesday onwards!
He's beginning to look like a viable option!!!
Why won't the nhs have immigrants to provide care,if we need them we will allow them here what we won't have is thousands coming here and using it for free,as for the rest of your rambling you have a very low opinion of the U.K. If you think that we carnt manage without the eu the eu on the other hand will miss our money big time
Did I mention the EU somewhere????
It's what you are implying,if we haven't got the eu to hold our hand we are fooked reading between the lines of your post
RobFZS
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They vote for him anyway so it's a pointless exercise, unless you appeal to the middle classes and better off's, you're going nowhereBut, if he gets the message across to the basket of deplorables, he gets a new council house with a black door and a Bobby standing outside
RobFZS
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Fairly sure immigrants that work in the NHS to provide care would be allowed in, not that there should be an extreme reliance on them like there is now.
No. I wasn't implying any such thing. I was specifically pointing to the issue of demographics, which is why I mentioned Japan and May's pledge
to cut immigration to some tens of thousands.
Every employers and business organisation plus many leading economists, say that UK needs minimum 200k immigrants per year, to keep the economy
growing. I was saying May's cap in immigrants coming in will act as a severe choke on the economy and will hasten the aging of the demographic profile on the population. It's good to look at the numbers sometimes, in isolation from the emotion of referendums and elections and such.
care to list these employer and business organisations ashy?
yes and look at its homepage
http://ourglobalfuture.com/
totally impartial
wonder how much it receives from soros?
If we need them we will get them but we won't have to take the ones that we don't need or the ones not welcome here just to keep the eu happy
JEREMY CORBYN
While stitching the hand of a 75 year old farmer whose hand was caught in a squeeze gate when working with cattle,the doctor struck up a conversation with the old chap.
Eventually the topic got round to Jeremy Corbyn and his role as Labour leader.
The old farmer said "well the way I see it, a guy like him is a 'post turtle'."
Not being familiar with the term,the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old farmer said, 'when you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle."
The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctors face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function and you just wonder what kind of dumb arse put him up there to begin with."
While stitching the hand of a 75 year old farmer whose hand was caught in a squeeze gate when working with cattle,the doctor struck up a conversation with the old chap.
Eventually the topic got round to Jeremy Corbyn and his role as Labour leader.
The old farmer said "well the way I see it, a guy like him is a 'post turtle'."
Not being familiar with the term,the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old farmer said, 'when you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle."
The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctors face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function and you just wonder what kind of dumb arse put him up there to begin with."
wanton dwarf
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The problem you have @Ashtree is you have taken the propaganda spouted by the likes of the London School of Economics as gospel.
If those 300K immigrants per year were so wonderful then the UK would have a massive surplus of tax receipts. A trade surplus on the goods those workers are creating. A massive surge in productivity as those young people put in more hours.
But that is not true. The fact is productivity is down. Housing costs have risen massively, well beyond sustainable levels. Tax receipts and GDP are barely up even with 3 million new workers.
It's not only pathetic ... the result has been a rise in violence, which is still increasing and a massive increase in demand for services such as doctors and schools.
"Demographics" is just a word.
If an aging population was a problem. Then the "default" government policy would be benefits for women to produce more children. However, government policy has been focused on getting women to work and then spend their money on their life styles. Most "environmental" groups have promoted the need for there to be less children in the world, at the very least a static population, if not a reducing population.
Not only do we have people working longer hours for less wages but those same people are retiring later in life.
Then we take recent government policy on immigration. Having FAILED abysmally to create high tech, high paid jobs in the UK. HMG is left in the only position available in increasing the desperate elite's income by lowering wages. The ONLY route to do this is via supply and demand. Increase the supply and wages fall ... which they have for all manual trades.
What the UK needs is a government which plans for the future and trains the population.
A classic example has been health staff. HMG reduced places on nursing courses and then imported immigrants ... because it saved money on the bottom line.
They are not interested that this means members of the public up and down the country cannot do the jobs they would like to do, they don't care this means the average UK member of the public is less rich or educated or qualified.
Over the past 5+ years I've heard the rhetoric of lets get rich on the back of immigration ... what we have ended up with is making our childrens lives less safe, less rich, far more competative and destroying their culture.
You don't even live in the UK.
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Old McDonald
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I have been hearing this since I first became involved in the organisation of elections in 1961. The truth is that nobody knows how any age group voted because there is no means of knowing. Exit polls are meaningless - have you ever been asked how you voted? Did you answer truthfully?
Old McDonald
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I would agree with that to a point but by the time I retire (assuming it's around 68) I will have paid income tax, NI, Vat etc for over 45 yrs my mortgage is then paid after these. They then want to take my house away to fund any care. It could end up an effective tax rate of 60% plus if you add all this stuff up, not really an incentive to work for 45+ years
....and what happens now? My mother's estate was reduced down to whatever the going rate was (£20,000+?) through care home charges. The same has happened to a huge number of other people. £100,000 seems a very generous increase to me.
Care has to be paid for by somebody, and those who have never had anything and always lived off the State will continue to do so until they die, and then the State will bury them too. My father worked and paid all you pay for 50 years but almost all he worked for went in care home charges for his widow. Somebody has to pay.
I suppose in the past that the children would take on the care of their aged parents; they would inherit the parents' wealth, if any, or fund the parents' needs themselves, just feeding another mouth at the table. However they would also have the difficulties of living their own family lives with an increasingly frail or demented person needing maybe 24/7 care. My parents did this with my Mum's mum; she lived with us anyway and it was a natural progression. However the last few years of her life, in which she remained physically strong but became demented and sometimes violent, almost broke my mum and dad and I would never wish anything like this on my own daughter. Given that a parent's suicide is also traumatic for the offspring, I don't know what the answer is.
Billhook
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We have just been through it having decided to keep my mother with 24/7 care at home. The stress on the rest of the family is immense both emotionally and financially. The thing that haunts me is that her mother had the same problem and her mother before that.
I remember my Grandmother saying "If I ever become like my mother ,shoot me" and yet she herself spent fifteen years in nursing homes. .My mother told me that she too would not want to be a living corpse but it is exactly what she became for over five years.
The trouble is that we all say we would rather be put down like a dog rather than go through all that, when we are relatively young and fit. But it creeps up on you insidiously.
First there is perhaps a hospital trip for a new hip, a load of drugs then maybe a fall. Everything seems ok but you start to become self obsessed with your condition and the next doctor's visit, the next pill to take etc.
The irony is that the less reason there is to continue living, as the mind starts to go the hold on life becomes stronger as the body goes into auto mode.
What is the answer? Well we can all make a start by trying to stay as fit as possible with a sensible diet, weight and exercise (both physical and mental) which will do no harm, the rest is in the lap of the Gods