How about VALTRA T4?

[daveydiesel1]

I have a k430 and traded a 6150.4 with a quicke q56 boom for a two year old n134 direct, which I put on a q5m loader.

For loader work, there is absolutely no comparison worth considering. The Vario gearbox means only ever touching the "throttle" pedal, never the clutch and brakes.

Valtra specific, the cab and front axle suspension on the 4th generation is a huge improvement over the Deutz, and indeed over the previous model valtras.

However that's comparing a near thirty year old Deutz cab and axle design to the all new valtra. I couldn't afford a (much improved) new model Deutz, and second hand are even rarer than a politician keeping their promises.

Grip is definitely greater, whether it's the 60/40 rear/front weight distribution, the radar anti slip, or slightly larger tyres, I don't know, but it's markedly better.

Rear lift capacity, and range of lift arc are very similar, but Deutz and valtra have always been way ahead of anything else anyway.

I've not done anywhere near enough work with the new pony to directly compare fuel usage yet. On road haulage the (lower HP) valtra does drink more, but again that could well be that I'm not driving it as efficiently as is possible. On light duty loader yard and field work, it's using a little less. I'm hoping that for ploughing, baling etc, the direct gearbox efficiency will compensate for the sisu engine that on paper is definitely thirstier than the Deutz.

Parts backup and service from the local agco dealer, Ross of Lanark, has been tremendous, with very fast response to the wee teething niggles it's had, advice on how to get the best out of the tractor, and how best to look after it.

I've no idea if it'll hold value or be as cheap to run and own as the older model Deutz tractors that I've most recently run, but the 4th generation valtra direct is most definitely a huge leap up in comfort and ease of operation.

So next time round ye would consider another valtra at that rate then. I like the new style valtras over the older 1s for looks

 

[Thomas5060]

I have a k430 and traded a 6150.4 with a quicke q56 boom for a two year old n134 direct, which I put on a q5m loader.

For loader work, there is absolutely no comparison worth considering. The Vario gearbox means only ever touching the "throttle" pedal, never the clutch and brakes.

Valtra specific, the cab and front axle suspension on the 4th generation is a huge improvement over the Deutz, and indeed over the previous model valtras.

However that's comparing a near thirty year old Deutz cab and axle design to the all new valtra. I couldn't afford a (much improved) new model Deutz, and second hand are even rarer than a politician keeping their promises.

Grip is definitely greater, whether it's the 60/40 rear/front weight distribution, the radar anti slip, or slightly larger tyres, I don't know, but it's markedly better.

Rear lift capacity, and range of lift arc are very similar, but Deutz and valtra have always been way ahead of anything else anyway.

I've not done anywhere near enough work with the new pony to directly compare fuel usage yet. On road haulage the (lower HP) valtra does drink more, but again that could well be that I'm not driving it as efficiently as is possible. On light duty loader yard and field work, it's using a little less. I'm hoping that for ploughing, baling etc, the direct gearbox efficiency will compensate for the sisu engine that on paper is definitely thirstier than the Deutz.

Parts backup and service from the local agco dealer, Ross of Lanark, has been tremendous, with very fast response to the wee teething niggles it's had, advice on how to get the best out of the tractor, and how best to look after it.

I've no idea if it'll hold value or be as cheap to run and own as the older model Deutz tractors that I've most recently run, but the 4th generation valtra direct is most definitely a huge leap up in comfort and ease of operation.

How did you find your 6150.4 for holding it’s value?

 

[daveydiesel1]

Has any1 bought a valtra that has been thru there studio or know of prices. To compare i asked a landini dealer how much extra for metalic paint and he said 1000 pound roughly which i think would be worth it

 

[DrDunc]

How did you find your 6150.4 for holding it’s value?

Difference between price I paid for the 6150.4 and loader when I bought them new, and trade in value at 5 year old with roughly 4500 hours, was exactly £25k. Doubt if there's bugger all that can beat that for holding its value.

Quotes for price to change to a new 160hp tractor and loader ranged between £60k and £84k, depending upon the brand ??

The two year old valtra n134 direct has cost me £23.5k on finance to change. I'll live with 20hp less for that saving!

 

[Jon]

How do people find the Versu gearbox to the Direct ?
They seem to suggest that the automatics give Versu near cvt qualities.

I run a Direct, but Versu are cheaper.!

 

[JJT]

How do people find the Versu gearbox to the Direct ?
They seem to suggest that the automatics give Versu near cvt qualities.

I run a Direct, but Versu are cheaper.!

No it doesn't. Fendt vario and valtra versu here. The versu doesn't compare to a cvt. Range changes are too slow and not enough gears in each range (to act like a cvt). As a mechanical box its fine though.

 

[Michael S]

How do people find the Versu gearbox to the Direct ?
They seem to suggest that the automatics give Versu near cvt qualities.

I run a Direct, but Versu are cheaper.!

I have a T174e Active after almost 20 years of Fendt Vario driving. The similarity to CVT is you can select a cruise speed and within the limits of the 5 powershift steps in each range the tractor will aim to change up and throttle back to be economical, the powershift changes are smooth and often pulling my 4m Simtech at 8 or 9km/hr the tractor will change up so the engine is only running 1100-1200rpm. However if doing PTO work like mowing you only have 5 working speeds in each range to choose from. On transport the automatic function works well although the change from range C to D is somewhat hesitant but you can manually select the change which seems quicker. A T174 Direct would be interesting to try but I suspect rather pricier than the Active.

 

[Tompkins]

I have a T174e Active after almost 20 years of Fendt Vario driving. The similarity to CVT is you can select a cruise speed and within the limits of the 5 powershift steps in each range the tractor will aim to change up and throttle back to be economical, the powershift changes are smooth and often pulling my 4m Simtech at 8 or 9km/hr the tractor will change up so the engine is only running 1100-1200rpm. However if doing PTO work like mowing you only have 5 working speeds in each range to choose from. On transport the automatic function works well although the change from range C to D is somewhat hesitant but you can manually select the change which seems quicker. A T174 Direct would be interesting to try but I suspect rather pricier than the Active.

Hi Michael,

Out of interest, what made you switch to Valtra? The Active is a very underrated tractor if you ask me, but I've driven many Fendts and don't think I would want to have anything else if price was no object!

 

[Michael S]

Hi Michael,

Out of interest, what made you switch to Valtra? The Active is a very underrated tractor if you ask me, but I've driven many Fendts and don't think I would want to have anything else if price was no object!

It was down to changes in both my farm business (introducing no-till) and the contracting business I own 50% of buying a bigger tractor meaning that business would require to hire the 939 I had less so I took the decision to sell it and buy the smallest tractor I could get away with on my tanker. The Valtra came up at my local dealer at the right price, I'd always quite fancied one to be different, I had a quick drive and decided I could live with it so bought it. Although it is an Active it has LED worklights, auto-guide ready (which my old Leica Mojo plug and plays with), quick steer, 50K with front brakes, cab and front suspension. Comfortable simple honest tractor.

 

[Cider drinker]

I have a T174e Active after almost 20 years of Fendt Vario driving. The similarity to CVT is you can select a cruise speed and within the limits of the 5 powershift steps in each range the tractor will aim to change up and throttle back to be economical, the powershift changes are smooth and often pulling my 4m Simtech at 8 or 9km/hr the tractor will change up so the engine is only running 1100-1200rpm. However if doing PTO work like mowing you only have 5 working speeds in each range to choose from. On transport the automatic function works well although the change from range C to D is somewhat hesitant but you can manually select the change which seems quicker. A T174 Direct would be interesting to try but I suspect rather pricier than the Active.

What do you think of the 'e' aspect of the tractor. Do you think it saves fuel running at lower tractor revs but with increased torque? Wondered what it would be like matched to a Direct transmission, with lower revving engine and variable gearbox.

 

[Michael S]

What do you think of the 'e' aspect of the tractor. Do you think it saves fuel running at lower tractor revs but with increased torque? Wondered what it would be like matched to a Direct transmission, with lower revving engine and variable gearbox.

I haven't really tested the difference in terms of fuel consumption but I drive the tractor in eco mode almost always and enjoy the quiet of the lower revving engine. In normal mode the engine is noticeably more revvy in automatic transmission mode. I think the Direct version of the T174 should be good.

 

[Thomas5060]

Difference between price I paid for the 6150.4 and loader when I bought them new, and trade in value at 5 year old with roughly 4500 hours, was exactly £25k. Doubt if there's bugger all that can beat that for holding its value.

Quotes for price to change to a new 160hp tractor and loader ranged between £60k and £84k, depending upon the brand ??

The two year old valtra n134 direct has cost me £23.5k on finance to change. I'll live with 20hp less for that saving!

So the 6150.4 cost around £60k to buy, and to change it for a new one it would take atleast the same again? Madness.

Seen a quote for a T6.180 DC with Q6M loader the other day, £83k

Does that £23.5k include buying a new loader?

 

[michael N123]

So the 6150.4 cost around £60k to buy, and to change it for a new one it would take atleast the same again? Madness.

Seen a quote for a T6.180 DC with Q6M loader the other day, £83k

Does that £23.5k include buying a new loader?

That T6 180 quote is cheap compared to when I wanted one !

 

[Mdt]

We have just got a valtra n174 direct and really impressed with it. Comfy, plenty of power, loving the direct and a few extras with it.

 

[daveydiesel1]

We have just got a valtra n174 direct and really impressed with it. Comfy, plenty of power, loving the direct and a few extras with it.

Care to chip in with price

 

[Mdt]

Care to chip in with price

Sorry I have no idea on price but will say it was a deal that couldn't be ignored, we didn't intend replacing the jd till April. I am just the operator.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Sorry I have no idea on price but will say it was a deal that couldn't be ignored, we didn't intend replacing the jd till April. I am just the operator.

Thoughts on comparrison to the deere. Fuel compsumtion power and handyness of use

 

[Mdt]

Thoughts on comparrison to the deere. Fuel compsumtion power and handyness of use

A bit early to compare to JD, as new engine but I did nearly a days work with a side arm mower and used just over a quarter a tank of diesel, was happy with that as the jd (6630) would have used half a tank easy but haven't looked at figures yet so that's a rough guess.
The valtra is definitely a good tractor for handyness, got a good lock on it and good visibility out the cab. Nice ride with front suspension and the air cab suspension. Direct is brilliant and easy to use. Overall the valtra is easy to use and operate especially with the smart touch.