carpenter1
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- devon
Is anyone using the hvo fuel?
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Hvo fuel
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Dave W
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- Location
- chesterfield
I've yet to hear a valid argument as to why you would.
It's a lot dearer and other than saving a few dolphins I'm not aware of any benefits
It's a lot dearer and other than saving a few dolphins I'm not aware of any benefits
carpenter1
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- Location
- devon
I was speaking to someone yesterday that had swapped. Said machines are running smoother.
I think its 3 - 4 ppl more.
Just interested to hear more.
I honestly had not heard of it until yesterday
I think its 3 - 4 ppl more.
Just interested to hear more.
I honestly had not heard of it until yesterday
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
It does burn cleaner so I’m told
Is that the same as GTL?
Lakesdigger
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No. HVO is plant derived and GTL gas derived I think?
carpenter1
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- Location
- devon
The bloke I was speaking to, seemed to rave about it.
Supposedly can store for 10 years.
Supposedly can store for 10 years.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
Been discussing it here, now that there's a local-ish supplier. I wanted to use it as a swap for heating oil, but it isn't a straight swap for the present stove's requirement.
It would be good to have an alternative to red diesel for the tractors, but the price is high ~ for now, at least. It's marketed as a straight drop in replacement for diesel in most (but not all) vehicles.
It would be good to have an alternative to red diesel for the tractors, but the price is high ~ for now, at least. It's marketed as a straight drop in replacement for diesel in most (but not all) vehicles.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
@Shovelhands is using GTL I think
carpenter1
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- Location
- devon
Courier
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- Location
- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Had a quote for 4000 to 5999 litres - £1.60 a litre.
Lakesdigger
Member
Gone off the idea then
carpenter1
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- Location
- devon
I assume there is a red and white option?
Lakesdigger
Member
Not aware of one. The trouble is its billed as a more environmentally friendly diesel and you'd think they would want you using it but I'd bet it costs a fortune to produce compared to fossil fuel diesel and so they probably get less tax off it than white.
deleted user 837354
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HVO is basically a drop in diesel replacement made by hydrogenating vegetable oils. This is not the same as the old biodiesel- there is no oxygen in it and so it is much more stable. Since it is not based on fossil fuel there is a significant carbon emission saving to be had. There is also no sulphur etc in it so it is superior to diesel. It is designed as a green alternative to fossil diesel. It won't be cheap as it is a road fuel and so attracts the usual tax.
GTL is diesel made from natural gas- still from fossil fuel by made synthetically from the ground up. Still a fossil fuel but 100% pure as the hydrocarbon molecules are all made from methane. GTL is slightly more expensive than regular diesel but totally pure and so you get no issues with fuel filters, lower emissions and you should in theory get more hours out of a tankful.
GTL is diesel made from natural gas- still from fossil fuel by made synthetically from the ground up. Still a fossil fuel but 100% pure as the hydrocarbon molecules are all made from methane. GTL is slightly more expensive than regular diesel but totally pure and so you get no issues with fuel filters, lower emissions and you should in theory get more hours out of a tankful.
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
There's a good case for free from taxes version with a colour added when it's to be used instead of kerosene for cooking and heating, imv. Let's have an affordable (ie, as cheap as fossil methane gas is ~ or cheaper) option for those of us who are away from the magical gas grid.
Lakesdigger
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The thing I don't think the greener fuels can be produced as cheaply as fossil fuels even accounting for taxation.
deleted user 837354
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I don't think the difference is that vast when both have taxation added. I mean £1.60 for road fuel isn't far off where diesel is at the moment.
deleted user 837354
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Making a HVO version of kerosene will just mean making a blend of hydrocarbon molecules of the required length- this is basically the only difference between kerosene and diesel as it stands. I would buy HVO kerosene if it was reasonably priced and my house would magically drop it's 'emissions' by more than 90%.