Infectious disease, including TB

[FonterraFarmer]

Kiwi Pete, the cow/possum link proves nothing. You are coming to infectious conclusions. I am saying that TB is homeostasis and so lesions indicate that the immune system has walled off the poison. Lesions do not tell me that the cow was feeling sick. It may have been a healthy cow because this is the nature of homeostasis. We all know that lesions are not something that we want to find, but lesions offer no proof of an 'infectious' disease. A lesion is more likely poison related.

The testing or the interpretation of a test result is by default translated into infectious language as this is dictated by industry and government. This is done for a political reason. Look back at 1986, the pollution caused by Chernobyl, which would add a poison into the environment and so 'reactor cows' peaked. The recipe was nuclear pollution (poison), followed by immune response, metamorphosis, walling off the poison into lesions, homeostasis. When the immune system has reached its limit, the animal gets sick or dies. This is then blamed on an 'infectious' disease aimed to defend the poison industry. The cows getting sick 'seem' to offer evidence of an infectious disease, but in fact, each individual cow was being poisoned through nuclear pollution. It was an individual poison-related disease, not an infectious disease. Any academic who sides with this will be punished, so keeping mum is the only option. Therefore, we have conflicts of interest. One hundred years of misinformation in which we are all raised in this environment. We are all heavily conditioned to think like this. This is the nature of propaganda, aimed to make you think that black is white, aimed to make you think that a healthy cow is a 'sick cow'. John Wantling, Rochdale

FFS, we have no nuclear power stations down here, hence your quote is irrelivant.

 

[john.wantling]

@john.wantling

Thornbury proved that culling badgers stops TB spreading in cattle - Fact

You have given no answers about what will stop badgers infecting badgers

Bruce Almighty, being as badgers infecting cows, transmission remains unknown (Professor David Macdonald/Professor Krebs), then you need to change this 'unknown' to 'known' before you start to condemn a badger. When you do this, you will receive an invitation from the queen of england. I wish you well and I do hope that you have a good day. No scientist involved with Thornbury had ever found that illusive mode of transmission. This was all assumed. No scientist at Thornbury received an invitation from the queen of england. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

FFS, we have no nuclear power stations down here, hence your quote is irrelivant.

I was just saying that nuclear pollution was merely one example of industrial pollution. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

But you have no evidence for this at all.
Apply your apparent critical thinking to your own statements.

Linga, read up on Professor Bechamp, do your own research, think for yourself, do not follow. Pure science isnt possible when you defend an infectious theory, minus a mode of transmission, nor by killing healthy animals. Science (or thinking) will then stagnate. I have mentioned this coming TB symposium that is soon to happen at Imperial College. They are seeking 'New insights into the control of bovine tuberculosis'. Do you really think that if they understood the story of bovine TB, if the science was sound, like you farmers say it is, that they would need to hold a symposium. This is saying one thing, they are very confused, their science is no good, no one can understand it, and it just doesn't work. So they search for new insights. Of course, I can tell you now, nothing of any use will come out of this symposium apart from the continuation of the war. It's the same old story. John Wantling, Rochdale
Bovine TB Symposium 2017
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/bovine-tb-symposium-2017-tickets-28649593706

 

[ollie989898]

Kiwi Pete, the cow/possum link proves nothing. You are coming to infectious conclusions. I am saying that TB is homeostasis and so lesions indicate that the immune system has walled off the poison. Lesions do not tell me that the cow was feeling sick. It may have been a healthy cow because this is the nature of homeostasis. We all know that lesions are not something that we want to find, but lesions offer no proof of an 'infectious' disease. A lesion is more likely poison related.

The testing or the interpretation of a test result is by default translated into infectious language as this is dictated by industry and government. This is done for a political reason. Look back at 1986, the pollution caused by Chernobyl, which would add a poison into the environment and so 'reactor cows' peaked. The recipe was nuclear pollution (poison), followed by immune response, metamorphosis, walling off the poison into lesions, homeostasis. When the immune system has reached its limit, the animal gets sick or dies. This is then blamed on an 'infectious' disease aimed to defend the poison industry. The cows getting sick 'seem' to offer evidence of an infectious disease, but in fact, each individual cow was being poisoned through nuclear pollution. It was an individual poison-related disease, not an infectious disease. Any academic who sides with this will be punished, so keeping mum is the only option. Therefore, we have conflicts of interest. One hundred years of misinformation in which we are all raised in this environment. We are all heavily conditioned to think like this. This is the nature of propaganda, aimed to make you think that black is white, aimed to make you think that a healthy cow is a 'sick cow'. John Wantling, Rochdale

Your website claims TB is due to dietary factors. You also claim British cattle are given a wide range of antibiotics.

Now you are saying the fallout from Chernobyl is the cause.

You do not wall off bacterial infections. Cows tested positive for TB often show the bacteria in their bodily fluids, something you continue to ignore for reasons we are all quite ready to imagine.

TB is spread via contaminated bodily fluids hence why millions are spent pasturising milk.

I am also interested for you to tell me how drug companies and vets are making millions from the disease as you claim on your website. Given the very low cost of tuberculin which is hardly a complex product to make I doubt anyone is making a fortune from it, particularly because there is no approved veterinary treatment for TB other than slaughtering as the effective anibiotics used are reserved solely use in human health.

 

[ollie989898]

Please also explain what constitutes the 'poison industry' we are all mystified about this.

Why do you suppose TB is found in badgers? Or doesnt that occur?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

My Dad used to say that anyone claiming to hear a cuckoo in April was a cuckoo. They weren't heard 'til May.

It seems to me that there's one in Rochdale in February

 

[linga]

Linga, read up on Professor Bechamp, do your own research, think for yourself, do not follow. Pure science isnt possible when you defend an infectious theory, minus a mode of transmission, nor by killing healthy animals. Science (or thinking) will then stagnate. I have mentioned this coming TB symposium that is soon to happen at Imperial College. They are seeking 'New insights into the control of bovine tuberculosis'. Do you really think that if they understood the story of bovine TB, if the science was sound, like you farmers say it is, that they would need to hold a symposium. This is saying one thing, they are very confused, their science is no good, no one can understand it, and it just doesn't work. So they search for new insights. Of course, I can tell you now, nothing of any use will come out of this symposium apart from the continuation of the war. It's the same old story. John Wantling, Rochdale
Bovine TB Symposium 2017
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/bovine-tb-symposium-2017-tickets-28649593706

You clearly have no evidence for your claims
.Forget about "infectious theory" try supporting your own claims.

 

[john.wantling]

Your website claims TB is due to dietary factors. You also claim British cattle are given a wide range of antibiotics.

Now you are saying the fallout from Chernobyl is the cause.

You do not wall off bacterial infections. Cows tested positive for TB often show the bacteria in their bodily fluids, something you continue to ignore for reasons we are all quite ready to imagine.

TB is spread via contaminated bodily fluids hence why millions are spent pasturising milk.

I am also interested for you to tell me how drug companies and vets are making millions from the disease as you claim on your website. Given the very low cost of tuberculin which is hardly a complex product to make I doubt anyone is making a fortune from it, particularly because there is no approved veterinary treatment for TB other than slaughtering as the effective anibiotics used are reserved solely use in human health.

ollie989898, the 'whale dot to' website is not my site. I only have a folder on it. See link below. I dont necessarily agree with the other articles. I mean by Chernobyl, the pollution of the environment. This is merely one example of industrial pollution. It is likely that after 1986, the number of 'reactor cows' shot up. I have a book on badgers that contains a map that shows this to be the case. Concerning the pasteurization of milk, I claim that the cause of TB was not an infectious disease, but that the milk contained waste matter and possibly pesticides, and so it was this that was causing TB, and so not infectious. John Wantling, Rochdale http://www.whale.to/a/wantling_h.html

 

[Storeman]

Bloody hell.
It's like talking to a brick wall and listening to a stuck record at the same time.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Bloody hell.
It's like talking to a brick wall and listening to a stuck record at the same time.

But constructed with outside-in bricks..

 

[Storeman]

But constructed with outside-in bricks..

As long as we can find the mode of flushing

 

[ollie989898]

ollie989898, the 'whale dot to' website is not my site. I only have a folder on it. See link below. I dont necessarily agree with the other articles. I mean by Chernobyl, the pollution of the environment. This is merely one example of industrial pollution. It is likely that after 1986, the number of 'reactor cows' shot up. I have a book on badgers that contains a map that shows this to be the case. Concerning the pasteurization of milk, I claim that the cause of TB was not an infectious disease, but that the milk contained waste matter and possibly pesticides, and so it was this that was causing TB, and so not infectious. John Wantling, Rochdale http://www.whale.to/a/wantling_h.html

So, tell me, is pasturisation a waste of time?

Our milk supplies contain waste matter and pesticides, and probably radioactive fallout? Have you got a shred of evidence for these claims? I find claims that the government and food standards agency are allowing food materials containing any of the listed contaminants into the food chain very dubious indeed. Should I write to my MP you think?

And anyway, how are these problems causing TB in badgers?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

FFS, we have no nuclear power stations down here, hence your quote is irrelivant.

Yes and no tb in humans anymore either, touch wood. And we are the species that sit in front of computers, apparently. And stay up too late.. and use all sorts of things that are bad for us. That's why I'm so worried that I'm full of all these nasty diseases, and have an auto immune condition already.. they won't even let me donate my blood anymore,

 

[ollie989898]

Yes and no tb in humans anymore either, touch wood. And we are the species that sit in front of computers, apparently. And stay up too late.. and use all sorts of things that are bad for us. That's why I'm so worried that I'm full of all these nasty diseases, and have an auto immune condition already.. they won't even let me donate my blood anymore,

I have the same problem, due to my cider consumption. And that is definitely full of all kinds of nasties, I keep waking up with terrible headaches afterwards.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I have the same problem, due to my cider consumption. And that is definitely full of all kinds of nasties, I keep waking up with terrible headaches afterwards.

Is it the poison apples manifesting themselves. That will help the next hangover [emoji6]
My autoimmune 'problem' is that I have alopecia. The closest thing to an explanation I've had, is my immune system spends it's spare time (obviously not much as I drink at least a litre of raw cows milk per day) fighting my hair follicles. Am 36.5 and have had not a single hair on my head for 30 years. So had an early interest in immunology as a direct result to stimulus. Perhaps the NZ blood service have been following this thread as I was able to give blood for years, and now I'm not.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Yes and no tb in humans anymore either, touch wood. And we are the species that sit in front of computers, apparently. And stay up too late.. and use all sorts of things that are bad for us. That's why I'm so worried that I'm full of all these nasty diseases, and have an auto immune condition already.. they won't even let me donate my blood anymore,

I used to donate blood, but can't now because "I was in the UK for more than 3 months in the early 1990's" FOR F@#%& SAKE, you could not make this stuff up

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I used to donate blood, but can't now because "I was in the UK for more than 3 months in the early 1990's" FOR F@#%& SAKE, you could not make this stuff up

Yeah they stopped me when I was in my 20s. Still got a sticker and a bickie though [emoji106] but felt a bit ripped off. Seems alopecia got reclassified and that was that. Ironic thing was the only other person waiting in the room has the same thing as me, and they swooped on him! Ignorance is bliss!! I guess that's why people just tick no to everything more and more

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I have the same problem, due to my cider consumption. And that is definitely full of all kinds of nasties, I keep waking up with terrible headaches afterwards.

My experience with Vodka was not so much of a hangover , but more that there were a few grey areas as to what happened the previous night




Ollie's place for "cider quality control"? , I think

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Yeah they stopped me when I was in my 20s. Still got a sticker and a bickie though [emoji106] but felt a bit ripped off. Seems alopecia got reclassified and that was that. Ironic thing was the only other person waiting in the room has the same thing as me, and they swooped on him! Ignorance is bliss!! I guess that's why people just tick no to everything more and more

I used to smile when doing the questionare , "every politician should donate blood too"