Is Boris Johnson our Nero?

[caveman]

WTF ........ I was not elected to lead the Government & the country.

If you are unable to see that we currently seem to have limited leadership and direction from all members of the government and especially from the PM then that is your prerogative.

With more protests & counter protests planned for this coming weekend, things are going to get very nasty indeed and it should have been nipped in the bud from the off. All the government had to do was ban any marching - which they have the power to do. Now it is a total clusterfudge of largely their own making

Pray tell how to go about stopping demos?

 

[turbo]

WTF ........ I was not elected to lead the Government & the country.

If you are unable to see that we currently seem to have limited leadership and direction from all members of the government and especially from the PM then that is your prerogative.

With more protests & counter protests planned for this coming weekend, things are going to get very nasty indeed and it should have been nipped in the bud from the off. All the government had to do was ban any marching - which they have the power to do. Now it is a total clusterfudge of largely their own making

If they had you would be calling them racist

 

[Bald Rick]

Pray tell how to go about stopping demos?

You are right that the right to protest peacefully is enshrined in UK law.
However, the operative word is "peaceful" and there are things that the police can do:

Guidance on policing protests is clear. Forces should plan their operations thoroughly. They must operate in favour of facilitating peaceful protest and maintain an open and constructive dialogue with demonstrators. Officers can only impose conditions on demonstrations or use force against protesters when it is absolutely necessary to do so.

When it is deemed necessary, the police has considerable powers to restrict protests. In addition to general powers to arrest those suspected to have broken criminal law, forces can issue conditions on a protest which direct:

• Where it should take place
• For how long it should last
• How many people can be involved.

In extreme circumstances a police force can request that the Home Secretary completely bans a protest from taking place.

Obvious the government could, if they wished, legislate prohibitions during times of exceptional circumstances such as a pandemic outbreak where the necessity to keep people at distance was a priority. Such a piece of legislation could have been passed if they had declared a State of Emergency.

 

[turbo]

You are right that the right to protest peacefully is enshrined in UK law.
However, the operative word is "peaceful" and there are things that the police can do:

Guidance on policing protests is clear. Forces should plan their operations thoroughly. They must operate in favour of facilitating peaceful protest and maintain an open and constructive dialogue with demonstrators. Officers can only impose conditions on demonstrations or use force against protesters when it is absolutely necessary to do so.

When it is deemed necessary, the police has considerable powers to restrict protests. In addition to general powers to arrest those suspected to have broken criminal law, forces can issue conditions on a protest which direct:

• Where it should take place
• For how long it should last
• How many people can be involved.

In extreme circumstances a police force can request that the Home Secretary completely bans a protest from taking place.

Obvious the government could, if they wished, legislate prohibitions during times of exceptional circumstances such as a pandemic outbreak where the necessity to keep people at distance was a priority. Such a piece of legislation could have been passed if they had declared a State of Emergency.

That’s okay but when the police are taking the knee in support the government doesn’t stand a chance

 

[Bald Rick]

If they had you would be calling them racist

No. I would have called them responsible.

FFS they have been telling us for the last 5 months to "Stay at Home, Save Lives. Protect the NHS"

 

[Bald Rick]

That’s okay but when the police are taking the knee in support the government doesn’t stand a chance

Yes & I posted a photos of police taking the knee & Starmer and commented that it was making my p!ss boil (looking in the black demo thread I think)

 

[turbo]

Yes & I posted a photos of police taking the knee & Starmer and commented that it was making my p!ss boil (looking in the black demo thread I think)

I am passed caring to be honest,as long as I try to keep my family and friends safe that’s all you can do.

 

[Ukjay]

WTF ........ I was not elected to lead the Government & the country.

If you are unable to see that we currently seem to have limited leadership and direction from all members of the government and especially from the PM then that is your prerogative.

With more protests & counter protests planned for this coming weekend, things are going to get very nasty indeed and it should have been nipped in the bud from the off. All the government had to do was ban any marching - which they have the power to do. Now it is a total clusterfudge of largely their own making

Again you try to twist and wriggle out of the topic of our discussion and tease the response to marry with your own heavily biased views, but here, let me show you where the converstion was between you and I for full clarity:

And if he did stamp down hard and we had more serious riots - you would be one of the first to come straight on here saying how wrong he was...

then my additional response to your come back - again, between you and I:

Personally I believe you would, because you have been quite anti anything they have done since brexit from reading your postings, thus I fear you will continue this vein no matter what.

So again, a blinkered obsession with trying to constantly chastise the incumbents is limiting your ability to see things could; potentially; be systemic from decades of dubious choices and decisions made which are more than likely governed by laws in todays society - to which cannot be changed overnight.
As for banning marching in a supposed democracy, what a joke.

If you seriously believe all these rioters are going to listen - I wish you good luck with that as you are currently dealing with what is basically a tinderbox waiting to go off, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the current incumbent governement, but is another issue that needs careful handling for obvious reasons.

 

[Exfarmer]

As I recall Hong Kong was a British colony ceded on a 99 year lease by China. This ran out in 1997 and Chris Patten was the last caretaker/governor at the hand over to China. Patten did nothing wrong other than that which he was obliged to do. Certain assurances were given by the Chinese to maintain the financial and governmental autonomy of HK. The Chinese, as one might expect, have progressively reneged on this "gentleman`s " agreement and as has happened so many times in our colonial past we have been obliged to show some sympathy to our former colonies and pick up the pieces. I accept that our past has a habit of biting us in the rear end but in this case we may derive some real benefits.

Actually Hong Kong and Kowloon had been ceded permanently to Britain in 1840-1860. However the New Territories were leased in 1898 for 99 years. This area was in fact 98% of what we called Hong Kong. It provided much of the food ands more importantly the water supply for the city. Although The Chinese did not demand the return of Hong Kong and Kowloon , they could have shut it down in days by turning off the water if they wanted too. It had been Government policy for a long period that Hong Kong would have to be returned as a whole, but of course it was all part of negotiating an equitable deal for the large number of the Hong Kong population that Whitehall knew would want to come to Britain, if it appeared that the country was going to be forcibly occupied by a communist power. Thus all diplomatic pressure was put on the one country two system principle. It was in China's interest of course, that the wealth and intellectual knowledge, combined with the major banks other companies came into its orbit, with out being completely stripped in the run up to their takeover.

 

[czechmate]

I am passed caring to be honest,as long as I try to keep my family and friends safe that’s all you can do.

Amen

 

[caveman]

You are right that the right to protest peacefully is enshrined in UK law.
However, the operative word is "peaceful" and there are things that the police can do:

Guidance on policing protests is clear. Forces should plan their operations thoroughly. They must operate in favour of facilitating peaceful protest and maintain an open and constructive dialogue with demonstrators. Officers can only impose conditions on demonstrations or use force against protesters when it is absolutely necessary to do so.

When it is deemed necessary, the police has considerable powers to restrict protests. In addition to general powers to arrest those suspected to have broken criminal law, forces can issue conditions on a protest which direct:

• Where it should take place
• For how long it should last
• How many people can be involved.

In extreme circumstances a police force can request that the Home Secretary completely bans a protest from taking place.

Obvious the government could, if they wished, legislate prohibitions during times of exceptional circumstances such as a pandemic outbreak where the necessity to keep people at distance was a priority. Such a piece of legislation could have been passed if they had declared a State of Emergency.

I ask again.
How would you STOP the demos.
Rules and protocol obviously mean fekk all to many..... on either side.

 

[Bald Rick]

I ask again.
How would you STOP the demos.
Rules and protocol obviously mean fekk all to many..... on either side.

You could. And indeed there have been proposed marches that have been banned - interestingly primarily by the Far Right (Combat 18, NF, EDL to name but three that have had marches banned in the interest of public safety/disorder).

Trouble is, that there is a very convenient hat to hang a cause on now and the government/police are fearful of being heavy handed or having the term Racist shouted at them. However, I am almost certain that we will see an escalation of police reaction at the slightest hint of trouble if further protests occur over the weekend.

 

[le bon paysan]

Actually Hong Kong and Kowloon had been ceded permanently to Britain in 1840-1860. However the New Territories were leased in 1898 for 99 years. This area was in fact 98% of what we called Hong Kong. It provided much of the food ands more importantly the water supply for the city. Although The Chinese did not demand the return of Hong Kong and Kowloon , they could have shut it down in days by turning off the water if they wanted too. It had been Government policy for a long period that Hong Kong would have to be returned as a whole, but of course it was all part of negotiating an equitable deal for the large number of the Hong Kong population that Whitehall knew would want to come to Britain, if it appeared that the country was going to be forcibly occupied by a communist power. Thus all diplomatic pressure was put on the one country two system principle. It was in China's interest of course, that the wealth and intellectual knowledge, combined with the major banks other companies came into its orbit, with out being completely stripped in the run up to their takeover.

The UK should have given them the right to move to the UK then, its only now that Boris extends some courtesy to them,
Instead many of the well qualified and educated were welcomed by Canada. Drs , Dentists, Lawyers and University lecturers wanted to come to the UK but were refused , to Canada's benefit. Many settling around Vancouver and its water based lifestyle.

 

[glasshouse]

It has to be asked as I see precious little evidence of leadership from him. All I see is a government that flip flops from one idea to the next and then reverse ferrets pdq.

He MUST get a grip and soon

Can Boris play the fiddle?

 

[Exfarmer]

Can Boris play the fiddle?

I suspect he would struggle to light a match

 

[steveR]

I suspect he would struggle to light a match

Dom'll help him.... If he's in London at the time, that is.

 

[Ashtree]

Can Boris play the fiddle?

No. But that don’t mean he can’t fiddle?

 

[Breakthru]

Firstly the police should have electric cattle prods to maintain distance. Taser equipped police should be evenly spaced in the lines and anyone as per the picture censored by the Bastroids Broadcasting Communism and PC approaching with a large stick or other weapon, be that a bike, should be Tasered. Respect starts with fear. Peaceful protesters have nothing to fear other than themselves. I find it beyond irony that the very people most at risk of dying of C19 are expelling huge quantities of vapour into the air standing cheek by jowl. If you are Asian Black and especially FAT you are a suicide jockey going to these demos. The far right Nazis are rubbing their hands with glee that these idiots are killing themselves. The peaceful demonstrators should all take the Knee when trouble starts so the anarchists can be exposed.

 

[Ashtree]

What did Nero die of in the end? Was it exhaustion, tiredness and fatigue ?
Boris Johnson’s Team Is Broken by the Virus and Losing Faith
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ris-johnson-s-team-is-broken-and-losing-faith

 

[Exfarmer]

Nero died by “ assisted suicide” , make of that what you will