Kier Starmer

[le bon paysan]

How can the Opposition make hard promises when they don't see the books until elected.
I think whichever party is in Opposition, the shadow chancellor and leader of that party are given a copy of the books at each budget.

 

[Widgetone]

Seems to have been their "go to" for the past (almost) 14 years, I guess it has a familiarity about it by now.

Precisely.
Who would want change when we can just collectively moan some more.

PopCo(r)n can sort it!

 

[Widgetone]

How can the Opposition make hard promises when they don't see the books until elected.
I think whichever party is in Opposition, the shadow chancellor and leader of that party are given a copy of the books at each budget.

Was the 'There is no money' note allegedly left at the Treasury to the new incoming Chancellor Darling (iirc) a true story?

 

[yin ewe]

Was the 'There is no money' note allegedly left at the Treasury to the new incoming Chancellor Darling (iirc) a true story?

I had thought it was allegedly left when the ConDem coalition was taking over in 2010?

 

[yoki]

Was the 'There is no money' note allegedly left at the Treasury to the new incoming Chancellor Darling (iirc) a true story?

Darling took over from Brown so was following a CoE from his own party.

I think it was actually left by one of Darling's minions to the incoming Con/Dem chancellor at the 2010(?) election after Labour were ousted largely thanks to Gordon Brown's "just some biggoted woman" hot mic episode.

 

[Dave79]

By memory, I think it was a joke note left by Liam Byrne for his successor, which has since gone into folklore as a monumentally stupid thing to have done!

 

[Still Farming]

Jeremy Corbyn

Banksy has come to Islington! What wonderful artwork, proving there is hope for our natural world everywhere.

www.facebook.com

 

[Danllan]

How can the Opposition make hard promises when they don't see the books until elected.
I think whichever party is in Opposition, the shadow chancellor and leader of that party are given a copy of the books at each budget.

All spending by HMG is open to examination by MPs on request &, more or less, by the public.

All government policies are costed prior to announcement and MPs or peers, of any party, can request factual information on these costs via parliamentary questions. This means the opposition can in effect ask that civil servants produce costings for government policies, so successive governments have held the view that they should be able to ask for the same of opposition policies.

Costing opposition policies | Institute for Government

How does the process of costing policies work?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

 

[Still Farming]

Labour launches new rural crime strategy - Farmers Weekly

The Labour Party is promising to “take down rural crime gangs” as part of a new rural crime strategy, which it claims will help protect communities from

www.fwi.co.uk

 

[robs1]

Labour launches new rural crime strategy - Farmers Weekly

The Labour Party is promising to “take down rural crime gangs” as part of a new rural crime strategy, which it claims will help protect communities from

www.fwi.co.uk

That needs putting on the other thread to quieten down a certain poster,

 

[Still Farming]

That needs putting on the other thread to quieten down a certain poster,

Launched by Keir Starmer so correct thread?

 

[robs1]

Launched by Keir Starmer so correct thread?

Yes not suggesting it isn't, but there is another thread where one poster is saying that certain caravan dwelling scum are angels, the figures in the article shows how much crime has increased in rural areas.
On this thread it would be nice if they achieved it but we all know nothing will happen

 

[Henarar]

Yes not suggesting it isn't, but there is another thread where one poster is saying that certain caravan dwelling scum are angels, the figures in the article shows how much crime has increased in rural areas.
On this thread it would be nice if they achieved it but we all know nothing will happen

Hang on there sunshine, I live in a caravan well mobile home, are you suggesting I have risen to the top ?

 

[robs1]

Hang on there sunshine, I live in a caravan well mobile home, are you suggesting I have risen to the top ?

I did too for a few years after my divorce, the difference between me and them was/ is I don't go round nicking from others, I suspect you have more in common with me than the other sort.

 

[Danllan]

And today he repeats his determination to lower the voting age to 16...

 

[jendan]

And today he repeats his determination to lower the voting age to 16...

My son turns 18 just 2 weeks before the election so he will get to vote for the first time. No idea who he will vote for but he has been bombarded by Labour literature through the post for the last 2 years.

Bit disappointed in Starmer.He is coming across as too cautious and low key. Needs to turn up the ante,be more forceful and look like a Prime Minister in waiting.Isabel Hardman had a good piece in the I today about him saying nothing and being too cautious.

 

[Danllan]

My son turns 18 just 2 weeks before the election so he will get to vote for the first time. No idea who he will vote for but he has been bombarded by Labour literature through the post for the last 2 years.

Bit disappointed in Starmer.He is coming across as too cautious and low key. Needs to turn up the ante,be more forceful and look like a Prime Minister in waiting.Isabel Hardman had a good piece in the I today about him saying nothing and being too cautious.

Yep, my cousin's oldest girl is in the same position; though up there they are almost all Plaid by default... I am, as you know, not a fan of Labour in general or in particular; that written, a Labour PM seems a given now so I'd rather see a decent one than otherwise.

Starmer himself strikes me as well intentioned, but I found him very dull in person (long before he was in politics), almost mechanical in fact and he doesn't come across any better in the media. And he is a hypocrite. he lacks the inner courage to say what it seems pretty obvious he really thinks.

I'm in the relatively unusual position in the UK of being on the right and yet a republican; Starmer was a self-declared republican from day one, a pretty safe thing to be on the political left - and yet he accepted (rumours are the he even sought) a knighthood...

He definitely wants the UK back in the EU, yet he hasn't the courage to say it openly. My guess is that attempting it by increments or stealth will not gain him any support from either passionate Brexiteers or staunch Remainers.

I've a good friend who will stand for Labour on July 4th; he is 'proper' Labour - more or less John Smith style - and found Blair's direction difficult and Corbyn a nightmare. He likes Starmer, agrees with the vast majority of his political positions and thinks he will be a decent PM. However... even he admits that it wouldn't hurt Sir Keir to have a bit of charisma - and fears that there will be a lot of cartoons and sketches drawing the public's attention to the his similarity to John Major.

I think Starmer, with the very best of intentions, will probably do an awful lot of damage to the country, nowhere near as much as Blair achieved, but a great deal nonetheless...

 

[Ashtree]

I think Starmer, with the very best of intentions, will probably do an awful lot of damage to the country, nowhere near as much as Blair achieved, but a great deal nonetheless...

He will never ever, take the crown of most damaging PM, from the ”Bright One”! She shall wear that ignominious award, for eternity.

 

[Danllan]

He will never ever, take the crown of most damaging PM, from the ”Bright One”! She shall wear that ignominious award, for eternity.

Which demonstrates your general ignorance of the societal damage wrought by Blair.

 

[Ashtree]

Which demonstrates your general ignorance of the societal damage wrought by Blair.

He needed a big helping hand, in particular with the Iraq war. Many if not most of his own MP’s voted against the war.
Not to worry though. In stepped the Tory’s and DUP. Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to war we go.