Looking for: Plot to rent, 2-3 years, Tiny House project - S.E. UK.

Hi there,

Well it’s all in the title: me and my partner are looking to rent a plot of land to a farmer for a period of 2 to 3 years (with possibility to agree longer terms if happy to) to build and start a living in a more fitting environment.

Our project is to build a ‘tiny house’, it’s a one year project (Dying work is not new for us), and two years incomes budget for our estimate. The idea is to convert a 40ft Container as there is more and more coming every year.

While not needing a large interior surface (21m2) we would like to be able to have raised vegetable beds and chicken coop, maybe a deck along.

Our ideal location would be between west London and Bristol, an easy access to fast trains like Didcot area would be very helpful. We are open to other offers if we can make it work of course.

Important: We want to limit as much as possible our impact on the land: we would need connection to Waste Water and Electricity (Rainwater collection planned for clear water use), but the container would rest on foundation ground screws removable. (And if we wish to be able to move in a fair amount of time, everything needs to be movable without a fuss).

We already have in mind planning permission from the Council (It’d be a ‘Temporary Building’ but legally not a ‘Temporary Residency’), and the need for a land service, to be discussed ahead with the owner of course.

All fees/bills and costs related to settling and then living would be covered by us or included in the rental agreement.

Finally, as a son of a farmer growing up on a tractor, taking care of cattle and wheat crops, and my partner currently a gardener coming from the countryside, while our savings might not fit a ‘Mayfair borough roof-top apartment’ deposit (again, modest budget), we are not afraid to come, pitch in and bring the extra pair of hands which make sometimes a difference in a farmer’s life.

I’ve stopped counting the times my parents would have an emergency, a tight weather-related deadline, or just the need for someone to take care of the house and cattle hoping to take a weekend off, and would have to look around for people mature enough for this. We are serious, reliable, and happy to discuss a plan where we can help each other in those difficult times for us, but also for farmers as we know it becomes more and more challenging.

Please do contact me at [email protected], or do comment here if you have any thoughts, tips or hitch about our offer. We’re looking for an honest deal, a win-win!

Thank you
Yann & Mira
 
Hi Delilah

That's not a tiny house.
It would be made out of a container which is not the standard for a tiny house indeed, but I want to make sure people understand we're looking for the same practicality: just a small thing and movable.
Most container house are definitely settled where they start, and often composed of several containers joined together. Great stuff but not what we plan :)

And that's not the S.E.

If I'm not wrong, i think the aera considered 'South East' of England is composed of Oxfordshire, Berkshire and Hampshire counties on the West Side of London, which would be our first choice (but again, to think about everything else).
But happy to hear about the South of London's counties like Surrey, maybe Sussex. Another plan could even be Wiltshire if calculating travel to London in the yearly budget would still work (wouldn't be everyday ^^) Hope that clarifies it all.

Feel free to let me know what you might have in mind, happy to hear about it :)
 
Hi there

We planed to use what is commonly called 'foundation Ground Screws' which is a very steady but light impact on the ground system of pillars. I've already been on touch with a few companies; it's a ystem you can remove and put back elsewhere.
The idea is to keep the outside structure of the container so a delivery company could take it away using the usual top corners and a crane. Same, already been in touch and they were fine with the idea.

Here's a couple examples of foundation ground screws.



Does that answer your question?
 
If you wonder how will we be able to build in such a short notice, this is a very small and quick build, a few months of proper days of work should be enough. Adding work time (I'm freelance, my partner would be there on weekends, adding delays as there is always some, and life in general, we are very confident to be done and able to live (And so move the house) in less than a year.

Best
 

Still Farming

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Mixed Farmer
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Wales UK
If you wonder how will we be able to build in such a short notice, this is a very small and quick build, a few months of proper days of work should be enough. Adding work time (I'm freelance, my partner would be there on weekends, adding delays as there is always some, and life in general, we are very confident to be done and able to live (And so move the house) in less than a year.

Best
Planning takes for ever plus neighbour veiws etc etc???
 
Planning takes for ever plus neighbour veiws etc etc???

That's why we are planning some delay indeed. But as we have the plans (and some contact helping us being prepared as best as we can) we estimates 3-4 months for the final permission, with hopefully a vocal permission ahead.
Neighbourhood is definitely something to consider too, again, happy to hear from someone who has a little piece of plot fitting the idea, where it doesn't bother anyone. : )
 
How would the farmer get you out after 3 years?
We would definitely do a proper rental agreement to, of course, protect anyone and make sure everything is set as we discuss. So the end contract would stipulate something that at the end of the agreed time, the tenant would have to move away, taking their habitation and making sure the plot if back in its original state (Something which is done for trailers and caravan plot rentals.)

Thanks by the way for all your questions and do let me know if you feel my explanation isn't good enough, this is very helpful for us to see if this could work / has been thought properly on a farmer landlord's point of view too!
 
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Suffolk
A friend has exactly this set up on 50 acres in NZ.
He bought just before the Kiwis made the buying of land for non native born or residents illegal.
He has a 40’ shipping container there which opens out into a home. Complete with his elderly car inside.
He goes out for three or four months every other year. Fab!
I wish you luck in your project👍
SS
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Hi there

We planed to use what is commonly called 'foundation Ground Screws' which is a very steady but light impact on the ground system of pillars. I've already been on touch with a few companies; it's a ystem you can remove and put back elsewhere.
The idea is to keep the outside structure of the container so a delivery company could take it away using the usual top corners and a crane. Same, already been in touch and they were fine with the idea.

Here's a couple examples of foundation ground screws.



Does that answer your question?
Nice project, but why bother with groundscrews??

Just plonk the container on 3-4 concrete railway sleepers. Quick, easy and low cost, level up with packers.
 
A friend has exactly this set up on 50 acres in NZ.
He bought just before the Kiwis made the buying of land for non native born or residents illegal.
He has a 40’ shipping container there which opens out into a home. Complete with his elderly car inside.
He goes out for three or four months every other year. Fab!
I wish you luck in your project👍
SS
Oh wow that sounds a dream spot to be!

Thanks a lot for the support! Good to hear we're not the only one who heard about this kind of project haha
 
Nice project, but why bother with groundscrews??

Just plonk the container on 3-4 concrete railway sleepers. Quick, easy and low cost, level up with packers.
Thanks!

Well to be fair you're right, could defo work. It's kinda the 'cheap option B' if possible.
In my mind the Screws would help level an uneven plot, and I guess feels more reassuring for the land preservation and else but railway sleepers could do it too for sure.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Thanks!

Well to be fair you're right, could defo work. It's kinda the 'cheap option B' if possible.
In my mind the Screws would help level an uneven plot, and I guess feels more reassuring for the land preservation and else but railway sleepers could do it too for sure.
Well, my take would be that a series of concrete sleepers are as likely to spread the load better and are in many ways, less impact. I understand about the "levelling" aspects, but on a reasonably level site a bit of hand work will soon get things right, a length of plank and a spirit level will sort it in an hour... ;) If uneven a mini digger will soon level the strip of land needed to place the sleeper on.

I used sleeper "foundations" here, for ground mounting solar panels where I could not dig the ground, as I had a GSHP ground loop underneath!

No need to have to pay for specialist folks to fit the groundscrews either. I was hugely impressed with them when I had a chat with two of the companies making and fitting them several years ago at an expo, and can see that they are a really useful tool. I would have used them 35 years ago when I built a house here, if they had been available. Instead I used concrete "pads". ie. 6-700mm diam holes filled with concrete, and then the main timber posts placed on a small brick plinth. I must have done something right, as it's still there! :)
 

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
We already have in mind planning permission from the Council (It’d be a ‘Temporary Building’ but legally not a ‘Temporary Residency’), and the need for a land service, to be discussed ahead with the owner of course.
Will the Council allow this? If it's a temporary building but not a temporary residence, then are you allowed to live there???

Interested to learn.

@George from SJM Planning
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
We would definitely do a proper rental agreement to, of course, protect anyone and make sure everything is set as we discuss. So the end contract would stipulate something that at the end of the agreed time, the tenant would have to move away, taking their habitation and making sure the plot if back in its original state (Something which is done for trailers and caravan plot rentals.)

Thanks by the way for all your questions and do let me know if you feel my explanation isn't good enough, this is very helpful for us to see if this could work / has been thought properly on a farmer landlord's point of view too!
And if the " New " government get in any agreement might not be worth the paper it's written on and the tenant has a right to stay as long as they wish !
 

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