Mastitis and High Cell count bolus

Piper771

Member
Livestock Farmer
Hi everyone.
I am needing urgent advice as our bactoscan/TBC is through the roof

It has been up until recently, ALWAYS below 10.....normally 4 and it has now progressively gone up.

Looking back on records.....it has increased from day one when we started to use a mastitis bolus..treating high cell counts with bolus and still putting milk in tank. That was in August. The next test revealed a TBC of 46 .. And it has got worse!
It was never at anytime mentioned about the possibility of causing a high bactoscan. The salesman kept emphasizing that it would reduce SCC. We have replaced liners, checked bulk tank, replaced pipes and the next step is looking at the plate cooler. We can only do one thing at a time and the NMR IT crisis isn't helping much. Plus the fact our milk processor only can get results to us once a week . I thank them for their patience.
So....in order to avoid penalties in OCT supply we now are DUMPING all milk from cows treated for mastitis and using antibiotics, in the hope that our bactoscan figure will go back to normal.
Can our recent high TBC just be a coincidence? I thought so too until I read this article....
Mastitic Organisms Mastitis is a common cause of bacterial contamination. Milk from a healthy quarter will have low bacterial levels, usually under 1,000/ml. When quarters become infected with clinical mastitis, the numbers of bacteria can increase substantially. Streptococcus agalactiae is shed in extremely high numbers from clinically infected quarters, up to 100,000,000/ml. Strep uberis can produce the same effect.
Does the above suggest......WE are doing the harm by putting the milk into the bulk tank?
Please advise.
 

Bramble

Member
Which bolus are you using? Is it allacine, garlic, or the AHV one? What’s happened to your SCC count over the same time period?
 

Farmer Fin

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
Firstly yes mastitis milk will have bacteria in it and this may be contributing to your TBC. Best way is to get a bulk tank culture done.

Secondly why on earth are you treating mastitis with a bolus? Complete snake oil.

If you don’t want to use antibiotics fine. But then you have to know which type of bug and which cow, this means cow side bacteriology. Even then certain types of bacteria will still need antibiotics.
 

Devon lad

Member
Location
Mid Devon
Sounds like plate cooler to me, what is the water like after it’s gone through the plate cooler does it smell fausty? Can you remove milk pipes from plate cooler then run the water pumps continuously and see if there’s any visible water coming out of milk outlet. Also have your fpd tests been consistent?
 

Piper771

Member
Livestock Farmer
Hi again
We have been using AHV bolus. Our SCC was around 146 and we got ALL bonuses each month. Then our scc went up to 204 on average for a month and that was the first in a year we didn't get SCC bonus. We doctored the 10 high ones with the AHv EXTRA BOLUS and our next milk recording showed some were down to 100 but others remained high but they were chronic to begin with. Maybe we shouldn't have put the chronic ones in the milk tank even though they had a bolus. Anyway.... the bulk tank had a build up inside and we got it cleared BUT the milk sampling results are so slow in coming so I don't know if we have resolved the problem. Will have to see if I can get quicker results.
I am still sceptical .....still think allowing mastitis milk into tank is a definite no no.

What are your thoughts.
 

Piper771

Member
Livestock Farmer
You can get a bacto breakdown from NML for £45 which indicate the source of high bactoscan. Not sure how the current It problems will be affecting it mind. Give them a ring 01902 749920.
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Our milk processor was using IML and they were definitely affected by the NMR problem.
How can they indicate the source of high bactoscan?
 

Piper771

Member
Livestock Farmer
Hi
Forgot to say that during the time when our Bactoscan/TBC rocketed to 96.......our SCC was is showing 237 when for that milk sample.
 

Farmer Fin

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
Thank you! Worth looking into

This test is poor for getting a proper answer. Far to many points of possible contamination and it’s not quantitative.

You need to get a specialist bulk tank culture done rather than a PCR. PCR just does not work for bulk tank testing.

Anyhow it sounds like your tank is probably your bacto issue.

However you need to get some proper advice on your mastitis treatment otherwise you will be on here in a few months time asking for help with cell count penalties.
 
Sounds like plate cooler to me, what is the water like after it’s gone through the plate cooler does it smell fausty? Can you remove milk pipes from plate cooler then run the water pumps continuously and see if there’s any visible water coming out of milk outlet. Also have your fpd tests been consistent?

In a previous life I was a brewer. Once a year we would run the plate cooler in reverse, be surprised the sh!t that comes out.
 

jimmer

Member
Location
East Devon
I'm pretty sure you would need a scc of much higher than you currently have for it to have an effect on bactoscan

Put double strength chemical in the bulk tank, that will probably be the cause of your bacto issue
 

Piper771

Member
Livestock Farmer
Contacted milk processor...... Our milk is lifted every other day and from tomorrow he will arrange for bactoscan test on sample for the next two collections or more.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
You can get a bacto breakdown from NML for £45 which indicate the source of high bactoscan. Not sure how the current It problems will be affecting it mind. Give them a ring 01902 749920.
took them 5 days to test a sample for us, needless to say, the results were alarming, the test was because our tbc suddenly wnt through the roof, bacto has gone back down, but we got docked, as we are not happy, we have gone through all results, we have noticed test dates, and collection dates, do not match, which they allways have, so have the nmr troubles interfered with testing ? obviously everything was being done manually ? and will they guarantee the results 100% ?
 
took them 5 days to test a sample for us, needless to say, the results were alarming, the test was because our tbc suddenly wnt through the roof, bacto has gone back down, but we got docked, as we are not happy, we have gone through all results, we have noticed test dates, and collection dates, do not match, which they allways have, so have the nmr troubles interfered with testing ? obviously everything was being done manually ? and will they guarantee the results 100% ?
Barbers ?
 

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