Maxammon treated whole oats

[sheepwise]

Anyone tried treating whole oats with maxammon or similar for sheep feed? Does it work with whole grain and what would the protein feed value be?

 

[neilo]

Anyone tried treating whole oats with maxammon or similar for sheep feed? Does it work with whole grain and what would the protein feed value be?

I’ve never tried it with oats, but used Home’n’Dry with Barley a couple of times, which is the same as Maxammon.
Yes, you can treat the grain whole, or processed.
Protein level will depend on how much product you use. 30kg of Home’n’Dry in a ton of Barley is supposed to lift protein to about 15%. Digestibility of the fibre part (higher in oats iirc) is improved and the ration is alkaline, stopping acidosis, so making it far safer to feed.

 

[mac]

@dave160cvx is the man to ask

Mac

 

[ricky_rascal]

Anyone tried treating whole oats with maxammon or similar for sheep feed? Does it work with whole grain and what would the protein feed value be?

I'd say it works better with whole grain. The urea seems to peculate better through the grain. Not sure how much it would raise protein but sure your local Harbro rep could advise. Fella I do a couple of days a week for treated wheat to feed to b&w bulls. We'd fill a grainstore with treated whole wheat, sheet the top down for two weeks, then un sheet completely and usually have it tested. Protein was 16% and then rolled it as required.

This summer as ran out of wheat he'd buy an artic loads of barley. This was generally around 14% moisture which is too dry to treat with maxammom. So along with the maxammom 6 bags of urea and 2 of soya I added 750litres of water to 10 tons of grain in a twin tub mixer. Water never ran out of the mixer and 5 mins mixing usually enough for a thorough mix. I'd treat the whole load and heap up in corner of shed. Didn't bother sheeting and leave for 5 days or so and then roll as required. Ideally grain better treated around 17/18%. With the treated wheat we'd mix in 1250kg of oats. These were untreated with maxammom. Until plans changed this year we were going to mix oats in with the whole wheat when treated with maxammom at 8750/1250kg wheat/oats per 10ton mix.

As an aside I'm sure the bulls did better on the treated barley than the the treated wheat though to be sure it would have been better to see how they did in winter on barley. The barley rolled and mixed better than the wheat which always ended up a bit on the powdery side.

So longwindedly yes. your oats will be fine treated whole.

 

[sheepwise]

Thinking about a ewe ration for a few early lambers and pedigrees. Would 80% maxammon oats, 10% hipro soya and 10% molasses be too high in protein. Do like to get some quality protein into the ration. Also would maxammon whole oats do for creeping calves?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Thinking about a ewe ration for a few early lambers and pedigrees. Would 80% maxammon oats, 10% hipro soya and 10% molasses be too high in protein. Do like to get some quality protein into the ration. Also would maxammon whole oats do for creeping calves?

I’d want more soya in than that

 

[Bury the Trash]

I’d want more soya in than that

Why?

I'd say it works better with whole grain. The urea seems to peculate better through the grain. Not sure how much it would raise protein but sure your local Harbro rep could advise. Fella I do a couple of days a week for treated wheat to feed to b&w bulls. We'd fill a grainstore with treated whole wheat, sheet the top down for two weeks, then un sheet completely and usually have it tested. Protein was 16% and then rolled it as required.

This summer as ran out of wheat he'd buy an artic loads of barley. This was generally around 14% moisture which is too dry to treat with maxammom. So along with the maxammom 6 bags of urea and 2 of soya I added 750litres of water to 10 tons of grain in a twin tub mixer. Water never ran out of the mixer and 5 mins mixing usually enough for a thorough mix. I'd treat the whole load and heap up in corner of shed. Didn't bother sheeting and leave for 5 days or so and then roll as required. Ideally grain better treated around 17/18%. With the treated wheat we'd mix in 1250kg of oats. These were untreated with maxammom. Until plans changed this year we were going to mix oats in with the whole wheat when treated with maxammom at 8750/1250kg wheat/oats per 10ton mix.

As an aside I'm sure the bulls did better on the treated barley than the the treated wheat though to be sure it would have been better to see how they did in winter on barley. The barley rolled and mixed better than the wheat which always ended up a bit on the powdery side.

So longwindedly yes. your oats will be fine treated whole.

As a guide for when needing to add it to dry grain ......use 10 ltres water per ton to add 1% moisture.


Big thing is to make sure there i snt any green or soft grains, ie make sure the crop is fully ripe before harvesting , its an additive not a preservative.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Why?

As a guide for thise adding it ......10 ltres water per ton to add 1% moisture.


Big thing is to make sure there i snt any green or soft grains, ie make sure the crop is fully ripe before harvesting , its an additive not a preservative.

Because I would

 

[Chae1]

Why?

As a guide for when needing to add it to dry grain ......use 10 ltres water per ton to add 1% moisture.


Big thing is to make sure there i snt any green or soft grains, ie make sure the crop is fully ripe before harvesting , its an additive not a preservative.

It used to be sold as a preservative. They used to claim up to 30%. The new improved formula is 18%.

 

[neilo]

Thinking about a ewe ration for a few early lambers and pedigrees. Would 80% maxammon oats, 10% hipro soya and 10% molasses be too high in protein. Do like to get some quality protein into the ration. Also would maxammon whole oats do for creeping calves?

Is there any Soya in the Maxxamon pellets? I know there is in FiveF’s version, but only a low level.

 

[sheepwise]

I’d want more soya in than that

According to my maths the ration I quoted would be touching 20%CP. That is if maxammon treated oats are 17% CP as claimed.

 

[sheepwise]

Is there any Soya in the Maxxamon pellets? I know there is in FiveF’s version, but only a low level.

This was going to be my next question. Could the soya, molasses and minerals be mixed in with the oats and maxammon pellets at clamping to save mixing twice? I'm thinking the preservation process with the release of ammonia may affect the other ingredients.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

According to my maths the ration I quoted would be touching 20%CP. That is if maxammon treated oats are 17% CP as claimed.

Ah right I didn’t realise it lifted it that much

 

[Chae1]

It used to be sold as a preservative. They used to claim up to 30%. The new improved formula is 18%.

Just checked back it was 22% not 30!

 

[ricky_rascal]

Why?

As a guide for when needing to add it to dry grain ......use 10 ltres water per ton to add 1% moisture.


Big thing is to make sure there i snt any green or soft grains, ie make sure the crop is fully ripe before harvesting , its an additive not a preservative.

Yes used that water guide though we worked out that for the 13 to 14% barley around 500 ltrs would be required though we found 750ltrs approx seemed to work better, or at least the maxammom worked just the same but the treated grain rolled better.

For sure the crop needs to be fit and best around 17/18%. A good mixer also essential more so if you have to add water. All this just my experience of treating grain with maxammom and advice should be got off Harbro - other grain treatments are available

 

[Bury the Trash]

This was going to be my next question. Could the soya, molasses and minerals be mixed in with the oats and maxammon pellets at clamping to save mixing twice? I'm thinking the preservation process with the release of ammonia may affect the other ingredients.

May as well just use normal dry oats and mix soya and minvits .?

'Course it all depends what youre feeding otherwise.

I would rather use the urea treatment on barley or wheat because as well as increasing the protein content it makes them safer to feed, whereas oats wouldnt gain as much of an advantage in that respect.

Just a sugestion but what about low bushel weight barley .and treat....... theoretically cheaper to buy and even a bit higher protein pro rata ....and more energy bang for your buck.....
Possibly.

 

[Chae1]

One farmer i know was maxammon treating oats and using them as a beet pulp replacement/fibre source.

 

[high plains drifter]

What does maxammon cost?feed dried oats to sheep and cattle. interested to see how it adds up

 

[ricky_rascal]

The fella I was mixing the maxammom up for mentioned around £20/ton when I was enquiring about cost. Don't quote me on it though!

 

[neilo]

What does maxammon cost?feed dried oats to sheep and cattle. interested to see how it adds up

£20-30/t, or thereabouts. Supposedly the lift in protein pays for that, but making it alkaline, and therefore safer to feed, is much more worthwhile ime.