minimum gestation length

[Nearly]

Hi, what's the shortest gestation length that's acceptable by BCMS between calvings?
A friend wants to make sure he's not shooting himslef in the foot. PM if you'd prefer.
Thanks

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

In a friend of mine experience it’s a lot easier to lie until your friend knows he is safe- you only end up dna testing or something silly

 

[AftonShepherd]

Years ago, we had a blue grey with a genuine calving interval of 9 months and 24 days. Used to shift cows and calves out of field at 10-14 days after calving and she was bulling when I went to get her, couldn't believe it when she settled.


Pretty sure we had to make it 10 months (as advised by them over the phone) for BCMS to accept it. Her previous calving intervals were all between 11 and 12 months form memory.

 

[M-J-G]

Anything born <271 days after service is notifiable.

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

on a side note is it more likely a calf being born at 273 or 294 days? Can’t decide what bull one calf I have had is from

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Asking for a “friend” are you @Nearly ?

 

[Agrivator]

A cow, given the chance of the bull, can quite easily calve 10 months later. And in order not to confuse BCMS, I wouldn't give an earlier calving date, even if I suspected the calf was two or three weeks premature.

 

[M-J-G]

A cow, given the chance of the bull, can quite easily calve 10 months later. And in order not to confuse BCMS, I wouldn't give an earlier calving date, even if I suspected the calf was two or three weeks premature.

So you wouldn't notify a notifiable situation?

How honest of you to admit that you'd be dishonest.

 

[Agrivator]

So you wouldn't notify a notifiable situation?

How honest of you to admit that you'd be dishonest.

What would be the point of upsetting or confusing the staff at BCMS. We all have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy.

I would guess you have never exceeded 60mph on a straight single-track road, in order safely to pass a vehicle. And if you have cows, are all your submissions to BCMS completely accurate?

And if you had a cow calve twins, one just before midnight and the other an hour or two later, what birth-date would you attribute to each calf?

 

[Nithsdale]

You can't shoot yourself in the foot.
Try and register the Calf, the website either accepts it or rejects it. It doesn't trigger an inspection or put you on the naughty list or any other silly notion.


If the website won't allow a genuine early Calf registration, phone Workington and the person at the other end will sort it for you.
Just be polite and explain what's happened.

Done it before with no issues. BCMS aren't out to get anyone who is being honest.

 

[Nithsdale]

If a cow calves again after 10months, but you put the calving date as similar to the last time. You've knowingly and willingly committed registration fraud - firstly by not registering a birth within 27 days. Secondly by falsifying birth dates.

That will land you in a whole lot of sh*t if you get found out. A simple phone call keeps you clear.



It is staggering anyone would even offer such ridiculous advice. And anyone who would contemplate taking that action shouldn't be keeping livestock.

 

[M-J-G]

What would be the point of upsetting or confusing the staff at BCMS. We all have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy.

I would guess you have never exceeded 60mph on a straight single-track road, in order safely to pass a vehicle. And if you have cows, are all your submissions to BCMS completely accurate?

And if you had a cow calve twins, one just before midnight and the other an hour or two later, what birth-date would you attribute to each calf?

It's not a case of what I would do, it's the fact that you have just told the world in black and white that knowingly breaking rules isn't something you take issue with. ?‍

And by coming across defensive you have just added weight to that case. Brilliant.

 

[Agrivator]

It's not a case of what I would do, it's the fact that you have just told the world in black and white that knowingly breaking rules isn't something you take issue with. ?‍

And by coming across defensive you have just added weight to that case. Brilliant.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[CollCrofter]

If a cow calves again after 10months, but you put the calving date as similar to the last time. You've knowingly and willingly committed registration fraud - firstly by not registering a birth within 27 days. Secondly by falsifying birth dates.

That will land you in a whole lot of sh*t if you get found out. A simple phone call keeps you clear.



It is staggering anyone would even offer such ridiculous advice. And anyone who would contemplate taking that action shouldn't be keeping livestock.

Agreed. I register them the day after they're born to make sure they're up and healthy. It takes seconds, be it on the BCMS wesbsite, an app or whatever. My Shearwell is linked to BCMS so the moment I confirm it on the app it's sent to them and I get a passport a few days later. In fairness it is absolutely the easiest bit of paperwork or record keeping we have to do. Firstly, I don't see why anyone would need to lie or get it wrong in the first place but it will soon come back and bite you a few months down the line when you can't remember your own lie!

Only thing I got wrong last year was I accidentally registered a bull as a heifer and rectified with no issues when I noticed it when the passport arrived.

My advice is to register them the day or the day after birth, check and double check and triple check the form before you click send and you needn't worry about a thing.

 

[honeyend]

I had twins, a week apart. Kept thinking the second calf belonged to another cow, until she calved.

 

[M-J-G]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Now you say that the rest of us shouldn't have done what you've done in order to offer criticism, suggesting that you have actually done something wrong re. registrations, it gets worse

This has clearly gone over your head.

It's not (or at least it wasn't) about the sin, it's about the fact that you have, for the whole world to see declared that you would be fraudulent in order to avoid hassle.

I admire your honesty (albeit about your being at ease with dishonesty) but I'm not sure putting things like that on the internet sheds you or the livestock sector in a particularly good light.

 

[Nithsdale]

Now you say that the rest of us shouldn't have done what you've done in order to offer criticism, suggesting that you have actually done something wrong re. registrations, it gets worse

This has clearly gone over your head.

It's not (or at least it wasn't) about the sin, it's about the fact that you have, for the whole world to see declared that you would be fraudulent in order to avoid hassle.

I admire your honesty (albeit about your being at ease with dishonesty) but I'm not sure putting things like that on the internet sheds you or the livestock sector in a particularly good light.

It does none of us any good. It undermines everything we try to do to make us better than other countries. It makes a mockery of Farm Assurance (which I fully expect he to be a member).

It's the very same crooked carry on which is hurting ped. breeds currently, and had serious fall out after a notable herd dispersal just a few years ago...

It's moronic. No wonder some cross compliance inspectors have the attitude that farmers are all liars