Muckspreading insanity

[Ffermer Bach]

And can someone clarify when "autumn" starts? Is it 1 Sept?

I think autumn is just about starting here in West Wales now

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Autumn applied organic nitrogen doesn’t just disappear down through the profile though. Bacteria can use it to help breakdown cellulose into humus etc. It’s total nonsense to apply organic manures on a “crop immediate need” basis as we have known for about 500 years. I think they need to adjust their computer model. If they can’t grasp this and the practical problems they will cause with a ban, then really we have no hope. My neighbour is 60, has sold up and retired. There will be a lot more of that about before long if this madness persists.

Am I right in thinking, the bacteria in the soil when they break up the cellulose need both carbon and nitrogen, so there could be soil biome need for nitrogen (and for that matter warmer autumns means plants grow for longer in the autumn), so the more regenerative the farming, the more biologically active the soil biome, and the bacteria will be working more.

I think our government bodies have a not very well hidden agenda to stop farming, import all our food (as the carbon cost is therefore put against the country that produces it - helps us become "net zero") and turn our countryside into a theme park that is all "rewilded".

I remember, years and years ago, someone I worked with in Suffolk was telling me he was at a Conservative party local meeting, and John Selwyn Gummer (as he was then) was the local MP, his wife apparently made a comment about all the "ghastly people there", and of course, all the people would have included a lot of local farmers.

 

[pgk]

I'd swap those two figures around....!

Strange reading this when in next breath we will hear, department X is impossible to get through to and response takes months, noting department X will be 20% understaffed due to poor pay and conditions cf private sector.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Am I right in thinking, the bacteria in the soil when they break up the cellulose need both carbon and nitrogen, so there could be soil biome need for nitrogen (and for that matter warmer autumns means plants grow for longer in the autumn), so the more regenerative the farming, the more biologically active the soil biome, and the bacteria will be working more.

I think our government bodies have a not very well hidden agenda to stop farming, import all our food (as the carbon cost is therefore put against the country that produces it - helps us become "net zero") and turn our countryside into a theme park that is all "rewilded".

I remember, years and years ago, someone I worked with in Suffolk was telling me he was at a Conservative party local meeting, and John Selwyn Gummer (as he was then) was the local MP, his wife apparently made a comment about all the "ghastly people there", and of course, all the people would have included a lot of local farmers.

Hard to believe that's the same bloke that said "Veganism is the opponent of climate change mitigation" the other day.

I'm still in a state of shock about that. I'm struggling to process it actually.

 

[teslacoils]

Strange reading this when in next breath we will hear, department X is impossible to get through to and response takes months, noting department X will be 20% understaffed due to poor pay and conditions cf private sector.

They are all "working from home". I suspect their KPI don't include actually doing work.

 

[Steevo]

Strange reading this when in next breath we will hear, department X is impossible to get through to and response takes months, noting department X will be 20% understaffed due to poor pay and conditions cf private sector.

More staff doesn't mean greater productivity or efficiency. The two are only related if the staff are of a decent standard, and well managed.

 

[Courier]

And can someone clarify when "autumn" starts? Is it 1 Sept?

Surely autumn begins when perennial crops and trees begin to show signs of senescence - which has become at least 14 days later over the last 40 years…

 

[deleted user 837354]

My understanding is to answer your question there is no official start date to Autumn. The nitrogen need and justification for an Autumn treatment of N is the driver. And thus why rule 1 of the Farming Rules for Water is causing such a fuss.

We all know that a reasonable crop of winter wheat and barley will grow on all winter if it is mild, so there IS a requirement for soil nitrogen (and P and K) from manures.

I would like to know how the water companies propose to deal with their waste if they cannot spread it in the autumn. Can you imagine the uproar of spreading sewage up the tramlines in the spring where you can't incorporate it?

 

[deleted user 837354]

Strange reading this when in next breath we will hear, department X is impossible to get through to and response takes months, noting department X will be 20% understaffed due to poor pay and conditions cf private sector.

Yes, 'covid'- sorry we can't be available to respond to your request at present, we are currently shovelling back 2000 tonnes of clay that isn't clay.

 

[Hindsight]

Surely autumn begins when perennial crops and trees begin to show signs of senescence - which has become at least 14 days later over the last 40 years…

Indeed, I identify Autumn on a day by day basis through October / November as the mood and Autumnal leaf colours take me. This morning a more Autumnal feel. Last week more summery. Surely in these enlightened time I should be allowed my basic human right of self identification of the seasons - its good for my mental health, y'know.

 

[lazy farmer]

Am I still allowed to spread compost ?

 

[Henarar]

Who says autumn cereals won’t use the nutrients during the autumn? Cereals will use P and K to build roots and use some N for tillering. On poor sands here that N can actually make the difference between the crop surviving or not. We aren’t all on N index 2 deep silts.
Strikes me they are trying to obliterate our industry and obviously they are making it most for the livestock farmers because of their animal rights agenda, Princess Nut Nut influence.

More than nut nut to worry about, see the farmers guardian for who works at the EA

 

[Steevo]

I think our government bodies have a not very well hidden agenda to stop farming, import all our food (as the carbon cost is therefore put against the country that produces it - helps us become "net zero") and turn our countryside into a theme park that is all "rewilded".

Often I think this also.....more a culture than an agenda though.

I think we would be crediting them with far too much intelligence to devise and agenda and actually achieve it....whether they kept it hidden or not.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Often I think this also.....more a culture than an agenda though.

I think we would be crediting them with far too much intelligence to devise and agenda and actually achieve it....whether they kept it hidden or not.

yes, actually I think you have hit the nail on the head, it is a cultural script they are adhering to.

 

[Treg]

yes, actually I think you have hit the nail on the head, it is a cultural script they are adhering to.

Look at @Henarar s post above , there is a story behind this which is about to come out.

 

[pgk]

They are all "working from home". I suspect their KPI don't include actually doing work.

I like your posts because I always know your posts will be factually incorrect. A bit like Boris always talking sh!t.

 

[pgk]

More staff doesn't mean greater productivity or efficiency. The two are only related if the staff are of a decent standard, and well managed.

Whilst I can only speak for a couple of teams in one department, my experience was that their output was higher and costs lower than equivalent accountancy and legal teams in the private sector.

 

[pgk]

Often I think this also.....more a culture than an agenda though.

I think we would be crediting them with far too much intelligence to devise and agenda and actually achieve it....whether they kept it hidden or not.

Remember the agenda comes from the ministers, despite the Daily Mail etc trying to suggest otherwise.

 

[pgk]

Yes, 'covid'- sorry we can't be available to respond to your request at present, we are currently shovelling back 2000 tonnes of clay that isn't clay.

Although IME no one at EA would actually get their hands dirty, that is all contracted out.

 

[Steevo]

Remember the agenda comes from the ministers, despite the Daily Mail etc trying to suggest otherwise.

I think a lot of the culture is already embedded within the civil servants....which in turn may have come from previous ministers.