New livestock EID measures announced by Michael Gove

[Henarar]

Firstly, you cannot report movemts of cattle manually to bcms anyway (sending paper by post). Surely you will still be able to visually read either tag and phone/online as well as your own choice of software. Note: you would NOT need a reader to do it this way.

Secondly, I’m not sure myself but could you confirm batch treating cattle without individual Id is allowable under current rules irrespective of RT status?

What has RT got to do with tagging and movments

 

[Henarar]

I often wonder where you get your tip-offs from GUTH. Is it the Kremlin?

Short and sweet Guy
Did you tell our beloved leader what I said ?

If thats all you have to say perhaps GUTH was right

 

[Henarar]

Have you ever met and had a chat with @Frank-the-Wool ?
I have and I can tell you he is a top bloke who does his very best to represent the industries interests.
Your words about him are not aligned with, used by or recognised by those that know him or have met him.
Put both of you on a stage in front of an audience of livestock farmers and I have a strong suspicion who will engender the most respect from the audience.

I've met Frank, his Son and Frank's Brother. All very decent hard working and fair folks

Frank also comes over well when interviewed

Good at talking down to anyone that has no use/can't afford this sort of thing
Give him that

 

[milkloss]

What has RT got to do with tagging and movments

None. My reference to rt was purely concerning individual Id of animals undergoing treatment with a controlled drug and even then my point was to rule the issue out as regards my second question.

 

[JP1]

Good at talking down to anyone that has no use/can't afford this sort of thing
Give him that

I'm sure if you met in Ashford Market or wherever you'd both have a very good conversation . Sometimes things are lost in translation via keyboards

 

[Henarar]

Your missing the whole point, they are going to scrap BCMS/ cattle passports/ the AM1 forms etc for sheep and replace them with electronic reporting of movements for both cattle and sheep, you will NOT be able to do it manually, it will all have to be done via phones/ etc.

If they make it that each animal has to have an electronic history of its meds etc then this will also have to be done via reading the tag and updating via Bluetooth phone etc and if they go down this route of each animal having its own electronic med record then you will have no choice to do it via a reader because say you worm 100 cattle, if you do it manually you would have to write every number down as you go unlike now where you do say 100 cattle and record them as 100 cattle ( with a blue line to indentify them for example ) and not writing down each and every number and what date/ batch no etc and what it has been treated with.

I would think there will be a way to do it without a reader but time will tell

 

[Henarar]

I'm sure if you met in Ashford Market or wherever you'd both have a very good conversation . Sometimes things are lost in translation via keyboards

I dare say we would I can talk to most folk

 

[Henarar]

Anyway its a bit bloody rich the NFU supporters club on here saying those that use pen and paper for records are in the dark ages, you have to go to a bloody meeting to say anything to that lot, they can't get out of the dark ages and conduct their business online that wouldn't do it wouldn't be such an old boys club
pot and kettle spring to mind

 

[milkloss]

Anyway its a bit bloody rich the NFU supporters club on here saying those that use pen and paper for records are in the dark ages, you have to go to a bloody meeting to say anything to that lot, they can't get out of the dark ages and conduct their business online that wouldn't do it wouldn't be such an old boys club
pot and kettle spring to mind

A very good point.

 

[exmoor dave]

Firstly, you cannot report movemts of cattle manually to bcms anyway (sending paper by post). Surely you will still be able to visually read either tag and phone/online as well as your own choice of software. Note: you would NOT need a reader to do it this way.

Secondly, I’m not sure myself but could you confirm batch treating cattle without individual Id is allowable under current rules irrespective of RT status?

This is how software here can work.
For meds like drenches etc, you'd just form a "group" of animals and treat the whole group in one click of the mouse or tap of the phone, the treatments would be allocated to each individual animal in that group.
Yes there might be a bit of work in forming the group in the first place, either by scanning each animal or manually inputting each number. But unless you chop and change animals from group to group often, the group can stay the same for however long you want.
You could even form groups on the puter by putting in certain parameters like certain ages/breads/ gender etc etc, this would give you a list to form a group.

So for example I've shortly got 25 yearlings off to enviro grazing, so I just form a group on the reader, those cattle don't have eid tags so I just punch the last 3 numbers of the tag in the reader and it auto fills the rest of the number. Once the group is done I can record the group treated with spot on with one click and say a wormer with another click. Any further treatments through the season to the group can just be applied to the group.

There certainly wouldn't be any need to enter every number every time the animals are treated, the only need to do that would be one off treatments to individual animals, like antibiotics.

 

[Hilly]

Anyway its a bit bloody rich the NFU supporters club on here saying those that use pen and paper for records are in the dark ages, you have to go to a bloody meeting to say anything to that lot, they can't get out of the dark ages and conduct their business online that wouldn't do it wouldn't be such an old boys club
pot and kettle spring to mind

Did you get out the bed the wrong side this morning ? (I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH)

 

[Hilly]

This is how software here can work.
For meds like drenches etc, you'd just form a "group" of animals and treat the whole group in one click of the mouse or tap of the phone, the treatments would be allocated to each individual animal in that group.
Yes there might be a bit of work in forming the group in the first place, either by scanning each animal or manually inputting each number. But unless you chop and change animals from group to group often, the group can stay the same for however long you want.
You could even form groups on the puter by putting in certain parameters like certain ages/breads/ gender etc etc, this would give you a list to form a group.

So for example I've shortly got 25 yearlings off to enviro grazing, so I just form a group on the reader, those cattle don't have eid tags so I just punch the last 3 numbers of the tag in the reader and it auto fills the rest of the number. Once the group is done I can record the group treated with spot on with one click and say a wormer with another click. Any further treatments through the season to the group can just be applied to the group.

There certainly wouldn't be any need to enter every number every time the animals are treated, the only need to do that would be one off treatments to individual animals, like antibiotics.

Sounds ok, think id need some training, if its coming might as accept it and go with it, or sell up which is tempting sometimes

 

[milkloss]

This is how software here can work.
For meds like drenches etc, you'd just form a "group" of animals and treat the whole group in one click of the mouse or tap of the phone, the treatments would be allocated to each individual animal in that group.
Yes there might be a bit of work in forming the group in the first place, either by scanning each animal or manually inputting each number. But unless you chop and change animals from group to group often, the group can stay the same for however long you want.
You could even form groups on the puter by putting in certain parameters like certain ages/breads/ gender etc etc, this would give you a list to form a group.

So for example I've shortly got 25 yearlings off to enviro grazing, so I just form a group on the reader, those cattle don't have eid tags so I just punch the last 3 numbers of the tag in the reader and it auto fills the rest of the number. Once the group is done I can record the group treated with spot on with one click and say a wormer with another click. Any further treatments through the season to the group can just be applied to the group.

There certainly wouldn't be any need to enter every number every time the animals are treated, the only need to do that would be one off treatments to individual animals, like antibiotics.

Good post. I was questioning guth attitude towards batch treating livestock, we treat anything as a batch for summer worming etc but you still have to know the individual id of each animal. Guth was suggesting mark the animals but their individual id is not required.

 

[spin cycle]

Anyway its a bit bloody rich the NFU supporters club on here saying those that use pen and paper for records are in the dark ages, you have to go to a bloody meeting to say anything to that lot, they can't get out of the dark ages and conduct their business online that wouldn't do it wouldn't be such an old boys club
pot and kettle spring to mind

strikes a chord with me as i was thinking today about various organisations that 'don't practice what they preach'

the govt reforms everything but not the electoral system
rt says it's important to be transparent to consumers but keeps it's internal decision making secret
how does the nfu elect it's president?....one member one vote?

 

[Hilly]

strikes a chord with me as i was thinking today about various organisations that 'don't practice what they preach'

the govt reforms everything but not the electoral system
rt says it's important to be transparent to consumers but keeps it's internal decision making secret
how does the nfu elect it's president?....one member one vote?

Unreal aint it.

 

[Henarar]

how does the nfu elect it's president?....one member one vote?

yea right

 

[Henarar]

Did you get out the bed the wrong side this morning ? (I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH)

No not really just don't like being told how to spend my money, but it seems that don't matter to the high flyers or our union it would seem

 

[Henarar]

would this new digital system mean that mean that anyone can search the tag number and see all the meds the animal has ever had

 

[Henarar]

apparently our great leader helped lead the way with this and she thinks its transformational
apparently it will allow farmers and FOOD CHAIN COMPANIES to reap the benefits of shared data
yea I bet it will
thin end of the wedge

 

[Hilly]

apparently our great leader helped lead the way with this and she thinks its transformational
apparently it will allow farmers and FOOD CHAIN COMPANIES to reap the benefits of shared data
yea I bet it will
thin end of the wedge

Aye they stick their sub where the sun dont shine no fuking use anyway.