NFU silent on the bird licence ?

[Clive]

But at this precise moment it time I can see that less could be more for the reason stated above. Once a workable solution is in place I can see that the reasons for it will need to be promoted and explained on social media to push back against the likes of Packham.

Bolted, door, horse, close, after

Rearrange the above !

If the job was being done correctly re influencing public opinion and getting them onside and understanding we would never get into these fire fighting situations in the first place

 

[JCMaloney]

Packham and Co got this done with roughly 1500 people pledging support. They found a valid, legal hole in the GL and threatened to exploit it. NE have pretty much fudged the GL for 20+ years then along comes a crusade and folk are left with this chaos.
I`m sure NE will resolve it, however it will come back with some sort of cost involved, not necessarily financial, but the information gathered will inevitably be used as a stick to beat the shooting community with.

 

[Clive]

Packham has bugger all money or resource behind him vs the wealth and employees the NFU has

He should be no match whatsoever yet he’s running rings around them

Anyone who doesn’t t think social media matters really needs to wake up

NFU members need to be calling for the entire coms teams heads on plates - you pay these guys so demand some results for your money !

 

[B'o'B]

Bolted, door, horse, close, after

Rearrange the above !

If the job was being done correctly re influencing public opinion and getting them inside and understanding we would never get into these fire fighting situations in the first place

The public don’t want to know about the not so pretty bits of the job, that is just plain fact. Pushing it under there noses without a good reason would only add fuel to the fire before it was lit by Packham et al.

 

[TheTallGuy]

So GDPR means nothing, when a legitimate business cannot send someone an email without permission!

The argument would be that the pest controller or farm is a business & therefore GDPR doesn't apply...

 

[Clive]

The public don’t want to know about the not so pretty bits of the job, that is just plain fact. Pushing it under there noses without a good reason would only add fuel to the fire before it was lit by Packham et al.

I agree - on social media you tell and show people what they want to see and hear

Packham and the vegans are VERY good at this

..... farming is not !

 

[B'o'B]

I agree - on social media you tell and show people what they want to see and hear

Packham and the vegans are VERY good at this

..... farming is not !

So how do you explain to someone out side of farming who may be just about to sit down to dinner why a sheep farmer dislikes crows enough to shoot them? Packham’s job is a doddle compared to that, he doesn’t even need reality on his side!

 

[dazza b]

So how do you explain to someone out side of farming who may be just about to sit down to dinner why a sheep farmer dislikes crows enough to shoot them? Packham’s job is a doddle compared to that, he doesn’t even need reality on his side!

Show a picture of a cute lamb getting its eyes pecked out

 

[B'o'B]

Show a picture of a cute lamb getting its eyes pecked out

I very much doubt that would end up having the desired effect on the public, they don’t want to see that reality especially not just before dinner. Try again.

 

[Clive]

So how do you explain to someone out side of farming who may be just about to sit down to dinner why a sheep farmer dislikes crows enough to shoot them? Packham’s job is a doddle compared to that, he doesn’t even need reality on his side!

Your explain if you want lapwings and golden plover etc you need to control magpie numbers. You explain how your farm has achieved big increases in numbers of farmland birds and how you provide habitat and food for them

BUT you don’t waste your time doing so at dinner parties and explaining that to one person - you do as I have today and use social media to explain that to 65,.000 people in one tweet ! ................. and I didn’t have to cook dinner for a single one of them !

 

[delilah]

Packham has bugger all money or resource behind him vs the wealth and employees the NFU has

He should be no match whatsoever yet he’s running tings around them

Anyone who doesn’t t think social media matters really needs to wake up

NFU members need to be calling for the entire coms teams heads on plates - you pay these guys so demand sone results for your money !

The only thing the communications teams at the NFU do is read TFF and threaten anyone who suggests they aren't doing their job properly with legal action. And yes, I do have the emails to back that up.
I really don't like having a pop at the NFU, indeed I have my own reasons why I would very much like to say how good they are at representing the industry, but the fact is they are completely at sea in the new world of public engagement.

 

[NLF]

Not being a member doesn't exclude me from having a opinion or wondering what they are or in this case are not doing. I don’t believe there is a law that prevents none NFU members from giving a £&&( ! About issues that effect farmers ?

This is big news and a big issue but frankly I have seen nothing of any substance about it all from them yet on social media or the wider news

This happened yesterday and based on a post early in this thread from a NFU member they had nothing to say at 8.30 this morning - were still “considering a response”

Good enough ? Not in this day and age ..... and you wonder WHY I’m not a member !

I tweeted about this earlier today - the reach of that tweet is many 10’s of thousands already and makes a case to many why this will have such negative effect on farm birds and just how much many farmers are doing to improved eco systems ... it wasn’t hard, I’m not a professional so where the heck are those professionals that claim to represent you ? and you feel are worthy of your membership cash ?

The response is pathetic, doesn’t even try to explain why this is bad for farmland ecosystems or point out how much so many fats do fir bits or the stats that farm bird life numbers are doing really well recently etc - I think my few tweets on twitter today are far better frankly ........ and you’re not paying me !

You really think your tweet has more impact than the NFU's efforts? That says more about your narcisstic tendencies!

So come on... what do you propose?

 

[B'o'B]

Your explain if you want lapwings and golden plover etc you need to control magpie numbers. You explain how your farm has achieved big increases in numbers of farmland birds and how you provide habitat and food for them

BUT you don’t waste your time doing so at dinner parties and explaining that to one person - you do as I have today and use social media to explain that to 65,.000 people in one tweet ! ................. and I didn’t have to cook dinner for a single one of them !

You’d be amazed how many people would be checking their Twitter/Facebook feed as they sit down at the table for the dinner they have just cooked for themselves. I still think that there is a reason that the story is not at the top of the BBC website and that the NFU might just be aware of what that reason is and be actively trying to starve the story of publicity at this sensitive time. Just my opinion I know but I can’t think of any other reason for it to be so.
Well done with your tweet BTW.

 

[Clive]

You’d be amazed how many people would be checking there Twitter/Facebook feed as they sit down at the table for the dinner they have just cooked for themselves. I still think that there is a reason that the story is not at the top of the BBC website and that the NFU might just be aware of what that reason is and be actively trying to starve the story of publicity at this sensitive time. Just my opinion I know but I can’t think of any other reason for it to be so.
Well done with your tweet BTW.

This has happened, It’s law ..... now

What possible good can hoping it goes away if we all ignore it do at this stage ?

Packham has won this one and unless someone takes some action to change what he has done this won’t change

 

[Clive]

You really think your tweet has more impact than the NFU's efforts? That says more about your narcisstic tendencies!

So come on... what do you propose?

Today I do yes - twitter stats will I’m sure back that up, many, many times over



How wrong is that ? I’m a farmer with a few thousand followers, who had didn’t today farming and running other business mostly with a spare few moments to make a couple of tweets. The NFU is a well funded professional organisation with a full time comes team ,,, ... Who seem to have all taken the day off today !

What do I propose ? I though that was clear ? I propose they put proper resources and capable people into managing social media and influencing and changing attitudes to get the public on side and behind the uk farmers they claim to represent

They are shockingly negligent in this area, minority’s groups are running rings around them and it’s a Very important thing to be bloody good at these days like it or not

 

[B'o'B]

This has happened, It’s law ..... now

What possible good can hoping it goes away if we all ignore it do at this stage ?

Packham has won this one and unless someone takes some action to change what he has done this won’t change

Airing dirty laundry in public doesn’t make it clean. Taking it inside and washing it before putting it out in public does.
This battle was lost when someone worked out that the General License as made were not lawful. The public have absolutely no role in drafting a new General License or its replacement, at this time I want the NFU to be talking to the people that matter now. When a workable solution is in place that is the time to go to the public, otherwise you are just highlighting a very serious issue at a time when there is no solution, potentially making a bad situation worse.

 

[Clive]

Airing dirty laundry in public doesn’t make it clean. Taking it inside and washing it before putting it out in public does.
This battle was lost when someone worked out that the General License as made were not lawful. The public have absolutely no role in drafting a new General License or its replacement, at this time I want the NFU to be talking to the people that matter now. When a workable solution is in place that is the time to go to the public, otherwise you are just highlighting a very serious issue at a time that there is no solution potentially making a bad situation worse.

Sorry but that's exactly the attitude that’s why the NFU are loosing the social media battles so badly

Stiff upper lip chaps, pretend it’s not happening, sweep it all under the carpet, close eyes and hope it will all go away

Surely no one will listen to a vegan or that uneducated fool Packham will they ! Everyone will see how we really need crop protection products (or pesticides as the NFU coms team keep calling them !!!) surely ? No one will believe that glyphosate gives you cancer could they ?

..... .... really seems to be working well for them doesn’t it !

Perception, matters more than the truth these days (I’m afraid). It’s a dirty game but one that someone has to start playing on our behalf

 

[JP1]

Your explain if you want lapwings and golden plover etc you need to control magpie numbers. You explain how your farm has achieved big increases in numbers of farmland birds and how you provide habitat and food for them

BUT you don’t waste your time doing so at dinner parties and explaining that to one person - you do as I have today and use social media to explain that to 65,.000 people in one tweet ! ................. and I didn’t have to cook dinner for a single one of them !

The spectacular Packham lapwing gaff was manna from heaven for those on social media who were awake:

https://www.gwct.org.uk/blogs/news/2017/january/bbc-presenter-chris-packham-gets-it-wildly-wrong/

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Some sense from North Yorkshire

https://www.gunsonpegs.com/articles/shooting-talk/an-update-on-the-general-licence

 

[Clive]

The spectacular Packham lapwing gaff was manna from heaven for those on social media who were awake:

https://www.gwct.org.uk/blogs/news/2017/january/bbc-presenter-chris-packham-gets-it-wildly-wrong/

And NFU coms team did what with this Gen ?

Expose him for the uneducated, misinformed, special needs tit he is ? Off course not ! Far to polite !

This is wha we are dealing with