No coal or wet wood, what ever next.

[delilah]

Small volumes is anything less than 2m3 at a time. Have guaranteed my logs are less than 20%MC for over a decade now but by the looks of it I will need to pay for red tape to register and prove the point.

So if we sell someone 8 of our 240 litre wheely bins that is ok ? But not 6 ? And if we take the money for all 8 bins in one transaction that is ok ? Even if we then deliver 4 now and 4 later ?
Sorry for the questions, you seem to have a grasp of it.

 

[chickens and wheat]

I store round wood under some large conifers, one of the driest places possible, yet well exposed to winds.
Then I log it when needed and store undercover.

 

[egbert]

It's stupid to burn wet wood - anything over 10-15% moisture - because it fouls not only the air, but also your stove and flue. And you don't get the heat out of it that you do if the wood is dry. This is common knowledge, but it's the usual case of laws being brought in to save us from stupid people. There are plenty of them out there, all townies.

Like all such laws, the idiot few hurt the sensible many. This one penalises those people with common sense who buy green firewood cheaper and season it themselves.

As Bald Rick says, sell a can of beans and throw in a free load of green logs.

It's the hypocrisy of things like this that's interesting. Here's the 'expert' reacting to this proposed new law: "We know that air pollution causes significant health issues across the life course. It is key that the government does everything it can to improve the air we all breathe." So when will the government do something about this?:

put 10-15% mc logs in your wood burner, and you'd have to leave your window open.
I struggle to dry sawn oak (without artificial help) to below 20%...which is Michael Goves magic figure.
And if you were to take offcuts from said boards - indeed, I am using some tonight to gee up some skanky elm firewood- you'd have a roaring fire.
But stacking firewood to achieve that kind of figure without help is a huge and unrealistic ask.

It's a load of horse manure, although the makers of woodburners will get dragged into the morass I believe.

Importantly, burning wood - if it's dry enough to burn-is a gozillion times better on balance than burning any fossil fuel.
Education of customers is the trick

 

[renewablejohn]

So if we sell someone 8 of our 240 litre wheely bins that is ok ? But not 6 ? And if we take the money for all 8 bins in one transaction that is ok ? Even if we then deliver 4 now and 4 later ?
Sorry for the questions, you seem to have a grasp of it.

Looks like you have found the loophole. Now that did not take long did it.

 

[Danllan]

...Who burns wet wood in a wood burner for fs...

To be fair, I've been visiting in several places when they have started a fire with an absurd amount of 'lighting bricks' to get wet-wood going. One match here.

 

[oldoaktree]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting there knickers in a knot over this , it could put the eBay lot out of business selling dumpy bags fresh off there last lilandy job for £40 .

 

[kiwi pom]

It's stupid to burn wet wood - anything over 10-15% moisture - because it fouls not o

Nope, it's a ban on the sale of wet wood & bituminous coal for domestic use - not the the use of it.


A large portion of wood burner owners don't have a clue!

So a ban on the sale of wet wood. Seems like an OK idea, get the cowboys out of the game, those that stitch people up with wet crap and probably take 4 out of 5 loads as cash in the pocket jobs (I'm sure there's none of them on here)
A shame those that do it right will now have to jump through more hoops but that's the way of everything.
Not like a TFF thread to get all mixed up and hysterical about something.

 

[Lincs Lass]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting there knickers in a knot over this , it could put the eBay lot out of business selling dumpy bags fresh off there last lilandy job for £40 .

Nothing will stop them ,like fb free ads ,,loads of folks flogging so called best hardwood ,,look closer ,its fresh cut conifers ,,,must be cleared asap or its of to the tip ,,alot of folks are gullible enough to buy it

 

[Scribus]

Just heard that you'll not be allowed to burn this on open fires or stoves from next year, they could do with getting rid of those hellish buses for a start, at least there not banning stoves all together, not yet anyways.

But but but ..... Isn't that an EU initiative?

 

[steveR]

Just build a proper log store with a tin or clear Perspex roof in the sun
a few sheets on the top of a stack would keep them dry and on a sunny day the heat would draw the air through it

when I visit ski areas there are sheds and sheds of wood stored drying for the following year

And also any forestry growing areas across most of Europe. I remember seeing huge quantities of 2m long cordwood in the hills East of Grenoble, 3 years wood for burning was the aim I was told.... so at least 2 years seasoning. A lot was stacked in covered log stores, similiar across teh Ardennes region. I do not see them moving away from wood any time soon...

 

[le bon paysan]

It's the EU and government pishing about with air pollution laws whilst air travel and shipping are basically left alone. Meanwhile they burn coal in Germany in powerstations like it is going out of fashion.

It's a complete joke.

What about those people who only had solid fuel boilers/heating systems in their houses? My neighbour buys and burns about 3 tonne of coal a winter to heat his house, no central heating system. What do you propose he does instead?

Its not the EU.
We have tax credits available for installing wood central heating. Oil burners are being banned , had a devi for a new one and plumber said, put a wood CH in . Or gas.

 

[le bon paysan]

And also any forestry growing areas across most of Europe. I remember seeing huge quantities of 2m long cordwood in the hills East of Grenoble, 3 years wood for burning was the aim I was told.... so at least 2 years seasoning. A lot was stacked in covered log stores, similiar across teh Ardennes region. I do not see them moving away from wood any time soon...

Same here in the Limousin. All over France really.

 

[Paddington]

We had our chimney cleaned a few years ago as only use the log burner in the summer or in really cold winters. The sweep noticed some split fence posts in the log basket and remarked that we shouldn't be burning treated wood because of the chemicals in it. I mentioned arsenic and that was a no-no, but how about boron ? He hadn't heard of boron but said we shouldn't burn it anyway! We have dozens of cut up boron treated fence posts stored, they are weathered as fence posts out in the field before after a couple of years they rot and fall over, what else can I do with them ?

 

[Paddington]

We had our chimney cleaned a few years ago as only use the log burner in the summer or in really cold winters. The sweep noticed some split fence posts in the log basket and remarked that we shouldn't be burning treated wood because of the chemicals in it. I mentioned arsenic and that was a no-no, but how about boron ? He hadn't heard of boron but said we shouldn't burn it anyway! We have dozens of cut up boron treated fence posts stored, they are weathered as fence posts out in the field before after a couple of years they rot and fall over, what else can I do with them ?

 

[thorpe]

There are new coal fired power plants under construction in euroland

where?

 

[Goweresque]

where?

The Germans have just built a new one:

Uniper's Datteln 4 coal-fired power plant will be connected to grid: conservative

Uniper's <UN01.DE> Datteln 4 coal-fired power plant will be connected to the grid, a senior German conservative said on Thursday after a meeting between Chancellor Angela Merkel and state premiers on the country's brown coal exit.

www.reuters.com

Also quite a few have been built in recent years in the former Soviet bloc countries, particularly Poland:

Europe still building new coal power stations | Airclim

Several countries in Europe have recently built or are planning to build new coal power stations. Some examples from Germany were described in the last issue of Acid News (AN2/2018), and further examples of such plants from Eastern Europe are presented here.

www.airclim.org

 

[Danllan]

But but but ..... Isn't that an EU initiative?

See below...

Its not the EU...

See above...


In fact, it has been an offence to emit 'dark smoke' from a chimney in the UK since 1968.

 

[Scribus]

See below...


See above...


In fact, it has been an offence to emit 'dark smoke' from a chimney in the UK since 1968.

Funny, I was with an MEP last year who was boasting that Brussels was driving just such an initiative!

 

[Danllan]

Funny, I was with an MEP last year who was boasting that Brussels was driving just such an initiative!

I'm very pleased to write that I wasn't.

But I wasn't joking, check out the Clean Air Act (as amended) 1968, which has since been superseded.

 

[le bon paysan]

Funny, I was with an MEP last year who was boasting that Brussels was driving just such an initiative!

It sure isn't driving it here. We are being actively encouraged, with tax credits, to burn wood. No body round here would burn wet wood. Most Bouchiers have 3/4 years of wood seasoning.