Oh dear….

[oil barron]

Arguing about what’s worse - Unelected European Powers or Bojos affliction to the truth.

kick in the balls or punch in the face. I guess at least we have the opportunity to swing back at BOJO at the next election. The French are stuck there getting punted in the balls 4ever.

 

[Ashtree]

I love the PEC (post empire collapse) syndrome and how it manifests as an irrational belief in a rather quaint and amusing version “sovereignty”, in the twenty first century. Britain was far, far more sovereign as part of the EU, than it is today. NI is now behind a customs border with the rest of GB, and within EU single market whilst rest of the EU is outside of that. There were no such internal divisions in Britain while it was in the EU. Whilst Boris and the ERG take a lot of the blame for this fiasco, surely the DUP take the lions share. They had all the power and opportunity to support Teresa May’s deal, which would have kept the UK union strong, but their base instinct to keep the “ethnics“ in their rightful place got the better of them.
@JimAndy don‘t blame Boris, Farage, ERG, Brussels or Dublin. Your twenty first century Lundy’s are in NI, masquerading as loyal, church going, God fearing unionists.

 

[Vader]

@Vader Just be clear who appointed the commissioners?

The Commissioners are proposed by the Council of the European Union, on the basis of suggestions made by the national governments, and then appointed by the European Council after the approval of the European Parliament.

To be clear, the voting public have no say in who runs the EU.
Top few tier is all in house and only people who obviously are hard-core belivers in the 1 state program.

 

[Ashtree]

The Commissioners are proposed by the Council of the European Union, on the basis of suggestions made by the national governments, and then appointed by the European Council after the approval of the European Parliament.

To be clear, the voting public have no say in who runs the EU.
Top few tier is all in house and only people who obviously are hard-core belivers in the 1 state program.

The voting public don’t get to vote for cabinet ministers (decision takers) anywhere in the world. These are appointed by such luminaries as Boris dePfeffel Johnson.

 

[Muck Spreader]

To be clear, the voting public have no say in who runs the EU.

Thank god! If you let the public decide they would probably vote for a performing cat or some cretin off Love Island.

 

[Danllan]

The two that have already been through the courts:-
Proroguing parliament was deemed unlawful by the supreme court.
Bypassing government procurement rules has resulted in dozens of court cases some already proved.

Still no illegality + see below next...

it wasnt unlawful till it had been through the court, and the ruling was highly political
in the state of emergency that was covid most countries by passed procurement rules ,especially ppe as the standard procurement routes had failed france also had its ppe crisis

Yes and no... such decisions are theoretically retrospective, so it was unlawful when done, but only found so by the Supremes once before them. As for the ruling, political of course - how could it be anything but in such a case - but that isn't to imply that the judgement was either biased or wrong, it was neither as the ratio made very, very clear. I'm as pro Brexit as one can be, I'm also a Barrister and can assure you that the judgement, as explained, was superbly made without any room for criticism. That doesn'y mean she - or they - weren't anti-Brexit, but that was an irrelevance in the decision, as it should be.

I can remember the decision being discussed on TFF at the time and, I think, I was the only Brexiteer to support it. The consistent rule of law must exist in a civilised society. I think I raised that point again when the anti-Brexit MPs were continually making life difficult when there was no working majority in parliament, that Parliament's will had to be followed, but that they might find this a two-edged sword following an election...

so you have No problem with the Queens first minster out right LYING to her, says alot about you

also he has NOT got the UK of of the EU, he left a large lump of it in the EU when he betrayed NI. and until he grows a set of balls and stand up to SF and put the border were it should be. he go down in history as a ass kissing terrorist loving scumbag

Explain a bit more, what lie and have you read and understood the text of the UK / EU deal?

 

[wanton dwarf]

The voting public don’t get to vote for cabinet ministers (decision takers) anywhere in the world. These are appointed by such luminaries as Boris dePfeffel Johnson.

What a stupid thing to say.

MPs and Parties can be taken out of office by the voter - including the PM. You've just seen a cabinet minister taken out of office by the media.

I can hardly summon up the energy to bother posting to this trash .. look we all get it, you hate the English and wish us the worst.

I don't care what you think and never will.

 

[Ashtree]

What a stupid thing to say.

MPs and Parties can be taken out of office by the voter - including the PM. You've just seen a cabinet minister taken out of office by the media.

I can hardly summon up the energy to bother posting to this trash .. look we all get it, you hate the English and wish us the worst.

I don't care what you think and never will.

Oh dear.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Oh dear.

I've pointed out many times in the past how you are wrong .. I see you still don't have the balls to admit being wrong.

Voters to have power to remove MPs for serious wrongdoing

The public will be given the right to recall their local MP if they are found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing.

www.gov.uk

 

[Muck Spreader]

What a stupid thing to say.

MPs and Parties can be taken out of office by the voter - including the PM. You've just seen a cabinet minister taken out of office by the media.

I can hardly summon up the energy to bother posting to this trash .. look we all get it, you hate the English and wish us the worst.

I don't care what you think and never will.

No. this is incorrect.

Constituents only have the power to remove an MP and call for a by-election under limited circumstances and not because they don't approve of a particular MP's views on an issue, namely :

• If they are convicted in the UK of an offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained and all appeals have been exhausted (and the sentence does not lead to automatic disqualification from being an MP);
• If they are suspended from the House following report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for a specified period (at least 10 sitting days, or at least 14 days if sitting days are not specified);
• If they are convicted of an offence under section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 (making false or misleading Parliamentary allowances claims)

 

[Ashtree]

What a stupid thing to say.

MPs and Parties can be taken out of office by the voter - including the PM. You've just seen a cabinet minister taken out of office by the media.

I can hardly summon up the energy to bother posting to this trash .. look we all get it, you hate the English and wish us the worst.

I don't care what you think and never will.

Bless us all, but you do have an entertainment value if nothing else. Where did I mention anything about the removal or otherwise of MP’s? Where in my post do you see anything which isn’t factual?

And you call me stupid….

 

[arcobob]

so you have No problem with the Queens first minster out right LYING to her, says alot about you

also he has NOT got the UK of of the EU, he left a large lump of it in the EU when he betrayed NI. and until he grows a set of balls and stand up to SF and put the border were it should be. he go down in history as a ass kissing terrorist loving scumbag

He and we don`t need a border, the EU do.

 

[wanton dwarf]

No. this is incorrect.

Constituents only have the power to remove an MP and call for a by-election under limited circumstances and not because they don't approve of a particular MP's views on an issue, namely :

• If they are convicted in the UK of an offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained and all appeals have been exhausted (and the sentence does not lead to automatic disqualification from being an MP);
• If they are suspended from the House following report and recommended sanction from the Committee on Standards for a specified period (at least 10 sitting days, or at least 14 days if sitting days are not specified);
• If they are convicted of an offence under section 10 of the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 (making false or misleading Parliamentary allowances claims)

They have the opportunity every 4+ years in what's called an "Election".

Plus by-elections, plus this method .. unlike commissioners at the EU who are accountable to Mr Nobody.

END OF DISCUSSION.

 

[JimAndy]

He and we don`t need a border, the EU do.

so if the UK doesn't need a border how are you going to control the importation of goods into the UK
or control people entering the UK, with no border control there be nothing stopping 1 million turks taking a £10 ryan air flight to dublin and then coming into the UK
in fact why would any country do a trade deal with us, as there no border control they could just send what the want when they wanted and We have no idea what it is

 

[wanton dwarf]

so if the UK doesn't need a border how are you going to control the importation of goods into the UK
or control people entering the UK, with no border control there be nothing stopping 1 million turks taking a £10 ryan air flight to dublin and then coming into the UK
in fact why would any country do a trade deal with us, as there no border control they could just send what the want when they wanted and We have no idea what it is

If 1 million Turks decide to come to the UK on "Holiday" they can - as can any of the 7+ Billion people in the world.

But there are only so many flights/ships and have a deadline to leave. This is "Normal" border control.

As regards goods import/export firms of any significance have to fill in forms stating the goods plus taxes/tariffs due. The FORM is actually more important than the goods because if there is a mismatch between the form and a spot check the company can be fined - to the extent they are put out of business.

So unless there is a "War" condition - aka the EU commission - then there are no major problems.

To be clear no country checks everything that comes into or goes out. Checks are done based on "Risk". Major company .. low risk, first timer .. high risk. But we've had this discussion for almost 10 years now ... FFS get over it.

 

[JimAndy]

If 1 million Turks decide to come to the UK on "Holiday" they can - as can any of the 7+ Billion people in the world.

But there are only so many flights/ships and have a deadline to leave. This is "Normal" border control.

As regards goods import/export firms of any significance have to fill in forms stating the goods plus taxes/tariffs due. The FORM is actually more important than the goods because if there is a mismatch between the form and a spot check the company can be fined - to the extent they are put out of business.

So unless there is a "War" condition - aka the EU commission - then there are no major problems.

To be clear no country checks everything that comes into or goes out. Checks are done based on "Risk". Major company .. low risk, first timer .. high risk.

and what you described is a border

@arcobob is claiming that we don't need those controls

 

[Ashtree]

They have the opportunity every 4+ years in what's called an "Election".

Plus by-elections, plus this method .. unlike commissioners at the EU who are accountable to Mr Nobody.

END OF DISCUSSION.

Phil “Bruiser” Hogan, Irish EU commissioner for trade, was forced in August 2020 to resign or be sacked, because he flagrantly broke Covid travel restrictions while on a visit to Ireland from Brussels. Political pressure in Ireland on the government plus pressure on Ursula Von der Lyon, forced Hogan out despite his resistance.
So there we have the elected government of Ireland, forcing the president of the EU Commission to do what the people of Ireland rightfully demanded. We sacked our own commissioner through the democratic system.
Now be a good chap and do tell us how your democratic system dealt with your own similar situation. Mr. Cummins…..

 

[Ashtree]

The vertically challenged @wanton dwarf seems to have run himself into a cul de sac!

 

[Danllan]

Bless us all, but you do have an entertainment value if nothing else. Where did I mention anything about the removal or otherwise of MP’s? Where in my post do you see anything which isn’t factual?

And you call me stupid….

I've raised loads of stuff with you that has been contained in your posts and has not been factual, and has very often been an obvious and deliberate lie - and you simply won't respond, presumably because you'd look even more of an idiot if you tried to.

Just off the top of my head I can think of several, for example... I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in your assertion that 'the British invented the concentration camp' and in your implication that they were extermination camps like the ones your chums the Germans proved so keen on. Entirely and demonstrably wrong on both points, but you wouldn't admit it.

We know you don't care for democracy but often spout your love of veracity, how about some on this?

 

[Ashtree]

I've raised loads of stuff with you that has been contained in your posts and has not been factual, and has very often been an obvious and deliberate lie - and you simply won't respond, presumably because you'd look even more of an idiot if you tried to.

Just off the top of my head I can think of several, for example... I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in your assertion that 'the British invented the concentration camp' and in your implication that they were extermination camps like the ones your chums the Germans proved so keen on. Entirely and demonstrably wrong on both points, but you wouldn't admit it.

We know you don't care for democracy but often spout your love of veracity, how about some on this?

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