Old cow meal

[holywell farmer]

watched a recent BBC programme about bse, surely in the 70s or 80s farmers would know risks feeding meat and bone meal to stock ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

watched a recent BBC programme about bse, surely in the 70s or 80s farmers would know risks feeding meat and bone meal to stock ?

It was put in rations and there was no legal obligation to declare. But Bone meal had been fed for centuries but it was properly cooked . They changed the sterilising process that's what did it

 

[multi power]

watched a recent BBC programme about bse, surely in the 70s or 80s farmers would know risks feeding meat and bone meal to stock ?

It was a legal requirement for many years, it was very successful too, problem only arise when the cooking temperature was reduced

 

[holywell farmer]

It was put in rations and there was no legal obligation to declare. But Bone meal had been fed for centuries but it was properly cooked . They changed the sterilising process that's what did it

Cows are herbivores, giving them meat or traces of it was asking for trouble,

On separate subject pig swill caused problems too,

 

[richard hammond]

Cows are herbivores, giving them meat or traces of it was asking for trouble,

On separate subject pig swill caused problems too,

Only if not cooked correctly!

 

[holywell farmer]

Only if not cooked correctly!

But BBC programme blamed the meal that cows were fed ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

But BBC programme blamed the meal that cows were fed ?

That was not cooked correctly. It was fed for centuries with no problem

 

[holywell farmer]

That was not cooked correctly. It was fed for centuries with no problem

Apparently saw dust was also added to the meal somtimes what nutritional value does that hold !

 

[Jdunn55]

Dad and grandad were heavy cake feeders at the time, about 3 tonne per cow/lactation so were hit very heavy when BSE came around lost nearly a third of the milkers at the time. They weren't told and couldn't find out what was actually going into the cake as like said before there was no obligation to say and the cake companies obviously thought that if they told farmers about the meat entering into cattle cake it would rightly put off some of them from buying it. Dad has also said poultry manure was added as well.

 

[multi power]

Cows are herbivores, giving them meat or traces of it was asking for trouble,

On separate subject pig swill caused problems too,

You may recall the country was at war from 1939-1945, food was very scarce, desperate times called for desperate measures

 

[holywell farmer]

Dad and grandad were heavy cake feeders at the time, about 3 tonne per cow/lactation so were hit very heavy when BSE came around lost nearly a third of the milkers at the time. They weren't told and couldn't find out what was actually going into the cake as like said before there was no obligation to say and the cake companies obviously thought that if they told farmers about the meat entering into cattle cake it would rightly put off some of them from buying it. Dad has also said poultry manure was added as well.

Blimey in the 90s when I was younger, knew some dodgy things went into cattle cake but chicken crap that's insane

 

[Lazy Eric]

As said feed companies didn’t declare what was in feed and most didn’t ask... as per normal farmers got the blame

 

[holywell farmer]

Dad and grandad were heavy cake feeders at the time, about 3 tonne per cow/lactation so were hit very heavy when BSE came around lost nearly a third of the milkers at the time. They weren't told and couldn't find out what was actually going into the cake as like said before there was no obligation to say and the cake companies obviously thought that if they told farmers about the meat entering into cattle cake it would rightly put off some of them from buying it. Dad has also said poultry manure was added as well.

They did bring in legislation in the 90s about what could be put into the cake/feed for cattle and indeed sheep too,

 

[matthew]

Apparently saw dust was also added to the meal somtimes what nutritional value does that hold !

It was good on paper, as was feather-meal, all glued together with palm oil. Berluddy awful for the cattle.

Dad and grandad were heavy cake feeders at the time, about 3 tonne per cow/lactation so were hit very heavy when BSE came around lost nearly a third of the milkers at the time. They weren't told and couldn't find out what was actually going into the cake as like said before there was no obligation to say and the cake companies obviously thought that if they told farmers about the meat entering into cattle cake it would rightly put off some of them from buying it. Dad has also said poultry manure was added as well.

Dried poultry muck was a source of protein.

You may recall the country was at war from 1939-1945, food was very scarce, desperate times called for desperate measures

This was 30 years later, and the driver was least cost rations and PROFIT.

You could find out ingredients, and their value if you looked. One of my feed Bibles is an ADAS book, dated 1976, with all the above goodies and loads more, listed. Along with their IOM, which to the cow, is the indigestible organic matter which she can’t use at all.

 

[holywell farmer]

As said feed companies didn’t declare what was in feed and most didn’t ask... as per normal farmers got the blame

Which is wrong farmers were supplied with feed that was effectively contaminated I would say,

 

[holywell farmer]

It was good on paper, as was feather-meal, all glued together with palm oil. Berluddy awful for the cattle.



Dried poultry muck was a source of protein.



This was 30 years later, and the driver was least cost rations and PROFIT.

You could find out ingredients, and their value if you looked. One of my feed Bibles is an ADAS book, dated 1976, with all the above goodies and loads more, listed. Along with their IOM, which to the cow, is the indigestible organic matter which she can’t use at all.

If go with science it made cows sick eating this stuff,

 

[matthew]

If go with science it made cows sick eating this stuff,

Lameness, infertility, ketosis, butterfats on the floor. Huge energy gap and..... will that do for starters?

 

[holywell farmer]

Lameness, infertility, ketosis, butterfats on the floor. Huge energy gap and..... will that do for starters?

Excuse my ignorance what's ketosis?

 

[matthew]

Excuse my ignorance what's ketosis?

Otherwise known as underfeeding a high yielding dairy cow, and f##cking up her liver.
See:
http://www.thecattlesite.com/diseaseinfo/194/acetonaemia-ketosis/

 

[holywell farmer]

Otherwise known as underfeeding a high yielding dairy cow, and f##cking up her liver.
See:
http://www.thecattlesite.com/diseaseinfo/194/acetonaemia-ketosis/

If cow eat say part of a mouse from some silage would cause cow to get sick i.e. Botulism