osr harvest 2017

[willy]

Not really, well branched rape is always higher yielding. Thick crops produce plants that look like spring rape, and we all know how that yields.

Disagree, thick rape has 2 advantages, a crop from hedge to hedge, and no room for black grass. Where we have low plant populations with good branching it has yielded higher in the goodbits, but lacks a few meters around the headland and a few patches ( size of a car) is full of black grass.

So all in all no different overall as high plant pops gives more regular yield where as low gives more variability, and you only need one bad field to drag averages right down. Doesn't happen In trials as there's no headlands and if it's dodgy it's written off.

 

[franklin]

Cut another 30ac of OSR today. It was not very good. Ah well.

 

[John]

Anyone watched this? Doesn't look like 6t/ha to me. Bird driving the combine is ok though!

What was previous cropping, how long since it was rape?

 

[shakerator]

What about the lack of significantly different yields in TAG trials for varying seed rates & row spacings?

Agree I don't think it makes much difference.

 

[Mr Charisma]

Finished barley on Tuesday so header extension on and had a nibble into what I feel is my worst field of Vista ( HOLL variety ) although not really fit to cut the heat of the day helped it thru the combine but at 4% and some dampness on the forecast we decided to knock it on the head .
So after a light shower early yesterday morning we made a start mid afternoon , had just about done a tank full but then plugged the drum , first time I've done it properly for many years but after about four hours we finally got the drum moving last night , wet morning so will go and unplug it at my leisure this morning ,,,,,,, but it looks like patience will be required . But there was a plus side to yesterday's mammoth combining session ,,,,,, the yield meter although not yet calibrated is telling me that there's more rape in the not to thick canopies than I predicted , just going to have to be patient I think

 

[Clive]

Has finally rained last night, good 3 day run and got a lot done for a reasonable start to harvest

a day of sleep today !

 

[Clive]

Agree I don't think it makes much difference.

I honestly think that the low seed rate argument has been constructed to both justify the cost of hybrid seed and create crops that need intensive care high input management regime i.e. selling us more slug pellets etc to nurse what we have left into a crop

I don't see consistent bigger yields from low seed rates but we do see more failed areas. Ive mentioned before or long term average is no better than my dad got 20years or more ago using a fraction of the inputs, I don't call that progress ??

I really think the research often has some agenda behind it and trial plots are not a good way to look at seed rates as the odds of pigeon or slug attack are much smaller than they would be in a filed situation with headland, woods, tress effect etc


I'm back to 100 seeds/m plus - the only way thats viable given seed prices is with FSS. If that becomes a trend then I think the seed breaders will have killed the golden goose that OSR has been for them over the last decade or so

 

[Mr Charisma]

I think the number 1 way to get a reasonable yield of rape is to make sure that every acre planted is worthy of inputs and harvesting ,,,, for me I know if I've done my job well when I go into a field and the whole acreage is ready to be desiccated on the same day and not just a case I'm here so that bit over there is going to get sprayed wether it's ready or not .
But the way forward to the big yields I do think it depends on canopy manipulation usually only possible with lower seed rates , but with lower seed rates I have found that we are getting much thicker stems which as I found out yesterday take some time to die off . Perhaps I ought to look at swathing because over the years we seem to be struggling to kill these plants with roundup , or is it that as I'm getting older my patience is getting a bit thinner along with my hair .
But what will be interesting for me is I've got to do a block of campus for a neighbour which we planted at a higher seed rate , will be interesting to look at the yield meter and stubble

 

[Clive]

I think the number 1 way to get a reasonable yield of rape is to make sure that every acre planted is worthy of inputs and harvesting ,,,, for me I know if I've done my job well when I go into a field and the whole acreage is ready to be desiccated on the same day and not just a case I'm here so that bit over there is going to get sprayed wether it's ready or not .
But the way forward to the big yields I do think it depends on canopy manipulation usually only possible with lower seed rates , but with lower seed rates I have found that we are getting much thicker stems which as I found out yesterday take some time to die off . Perhaps I ought to look at swathing because over the years we seem to be struggling to kill these plants with roundup , or is it that as I'm getting older my patience is getting a bit thinner along with my hair .
But what will be interesting for me is I've got to do a block of campus for a neighbour which we planted at a higher seed rate , will be interesting to look at the yield meter and stubble

will be very interested to hear how the higher sed rate compares over a field basis

Spot on about land being worthy of the crop - I was looking at gross margin maps yesterday and there are certainly areas that consistently pull the average down

 

[Feldspar]

I think for us to be able to grow OSR sustainably we need a thick canopy for good weed control / suppression. Riding the edge of the low plant population game leaves too many holes for black-grass. Last year we drilled on 6 August at 100 seeds sq / m and put plenty of N on. Had a full crop over 98% of the area.

This is what the crop looked like at the beginning of October:

 

[Gong Farmer]

I honestly think that the low seed rate argument has been constructed to both justify the cost of hybrid seed and create crops that need intensive care high input management regime i.e. selling us more slug pellets etc to nurse what we have left into a crop

I don't see consistent bigger yields from low seed rates but we do see more failed areas. Ive mentioned before or long term average is no better than my dad got 20years or more ago using a fraction of the inputs, I don't call that progress ??

I really think the research often has some agenda behind it and trial plots are not a good way to look at seed rates as the odds of pigeon or slug attack are much smaller than they would be in a filed situation with headland, woods, tress effect etc


I'm back to 100 seeds/m plus - the only way thats viable given seed prices is with FSS. If that becomes a trend then I think the seed breaders will have killed the golden goose that OSR has been for them over the last decade or so

I'm not for one minute saying we should all sow low seed rates to get the right crop structure, that's potentially disastrous. However if circumstances beyond our control give us a thinned-out crop it can actually perform better so no need to do anything drastic.

 

[Clive]

I'm not for one minute saying we should all sow low seed rates to get the right crop structure, that's potentially disastrous. However if circumstances beyond our control give us a thinned-out crop it can actually perform better so no need to do anything drastic.

there is thinned out and there is gone completely

low seed rates give no margin for the kind of stuff that often happens in a field scale situation

I would rather manage a thick crop back (delay N etc) than try to counjeur up missing plants out of thin air

 

[shakerator]

there is thinned out and there is gone completely

low seed rates give no margin for the kind of stuff that often happens in a field scale situation

I would rather manage a thick crop back (delay N etc) than try to counjeur up missing plants out of thin air

neonic loss has made this less forgiving imo!

but £300 per 3ha pack of 10kg seed remains!!

 

[Clive]

neonic loss has made this less forgiving imo!

but £300 per 3ha pack of 10kg seed remains!!

my seed price will not be much more than that this year for a tonne !



OSR seed prices are crazy

 

[Days of thunder]

How much are the royalties on hss?

 

[Hindsight]

How much are the royalties on hss?

http://www.bspb.co.uk/farmsavedseed/combinable-crops-payment-rates-and-eligible-varieties.php

 

[Days of thunder]

my seed price will not be much more than that this year for a tonne !



OSR seed prices are crazy

So you don't pay royalties then?

 

[Clive]

So you don't pay royalties then?

of course I do - that's why my post says "not MUCH more" the more being the royalties of course

just over £10/ha so not a big deal vs bought in seed !

 

[average farmer]

So you don't pay royalties then?

I always pay by the acre once established .

 

[Days of thunder]

jkkjkjj


of course I do - that's why my post says "not MUCH more" the more being the royalties of course

just over £10/ha so not a big deal vs bought in seed !

It's a fair bit more than £300 for a tonne presuming you pay by the ha unless your sowing at an astronomical seed rate.