- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
f uck quotas or any more govt influenceSo what is the answer?
N quotas per ha?
We've got NVZ's,(nitrate vulnerable zones).
Interesting but I don't think it's anything new that chucking loads of bag N on the land is not a good thing long term. It is a treadmill but how the hell do the arable boys get off it with returns as they are. The NVZs are largely in the less arable areas.
Reckon modern food production/research is far too reliant on big multinational corps with products to sell which has influenced our thinking. Need to take our noses away from the grindstone and be a LOT more sceptical of the 'ex spurts'. I was sceptical of a lot of the stuff taught in Ag college even when I was a teenager, nowadays (nearing 60) and growing nearly all my own veg I know a lot of it was plain wrong and/or too narrowly focused on the short term.
What's the old saying, "live every day as if it is your last, farm as if you'll live forever"
Don't know ask cowbunga how long he has been doing it and if it paysThis is a quote from @Cowabunga this week.
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With up to 240 units per acre of N spread so far, in the same wheelings on undulating and steep land, I suggest that if my Vicon was out on spread pattern, the accumulation of applications over this lush growing season would be showing up by now
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It illustrates how dairy farmers in particular are addicted to N fert just the same as a heroin addict.
Some high input dairy farms use phenomenal amounts of N.
Sustainable?
Lots of N in the air.......Don't know ask cowbunga how long he has been doing it and if it pays
are we going to run out of N ?
Don't know ask cowbunga how long he has been doing it and if it pays
are we going to run out of N ?
we can talk about ethics when the price reflects till then is it profitable to put lots of N on land for milk productionSlavery paid for those who enslaved however was it ethical?
Carbon footprint?
Running out of N,never with the atmosphere being 80% ish.
We will run out of natural gas eventually and unless we find a super cheap source of energy required to convert gaseous N to nitrate then we are going to struggle with nitrate production.
we can talk about ethics when the price reflects till then is it profitable to put lots of N on land for milk production
It's the whole dairy farm mentality,expand,expand,gobble up the neighbours,spread fert like there's no tomorrow then picket the local dairy with the new Fendt and plead poverty when we're awash with milk and the price drops a penny.
Progress?
we can talk about ethics when the price reflects till then is it profitable to put lots of N on land for milk production
It's the whole dairy farm mentality,expand,expand,gobble up the neighbours,spread fert like there's no tomorrow then picket the local dairy with the new Fendt and plead poverty when we're awash with milk and the price drops a penny.
Progress?