Philosophy and deep thinking

[onesiedale]

Philosophy, funny word isn't it.
When I was younger and more progressive n my conventional thinking, Philosophy was one of the last things on my mind. It was for airy fairy academics.
Now I am wiser (and older) I read things and hear things that make me think a little deeper, and of course ask the big WHY?

This morning I've just read this below.

The Lessons of Nature - The School of Life

We publish articles around emotional education: calm, fulfilment, perspective and self-awareness. | The Lessons of Nature — Read now

www.theschooloflife.com

Thought I'd start a thread for folks to either respond, or preferably add to is it give us a space to think deeper!

 

[martian]

Philosophy, funny word isn't it.
When I was younger and more progressive n my conventional thinking, Philosophy was one of the last things on my mind. It was for airy fairy academics.
Now I am wiser (and older) I read things and hear things that make me think a little deeper, and of course ask the big WHY?

This morning I've just read this below.

The Lessons of Nature - The School of Life

We publish articles around emotional education: calm, fulfilment, perspective and self-awareness. | The Lessons of Nature — Read now

www.theschooloflife.com

Thought I'd start a thread for folks to either respond, or preferably add to is it give us a space to think deeper!

I remember my father had a particular contemptuous noise he made whenever he heard the word 'philosophy' so I learnt early on not to mention it. But it means love of wisdom (sophia = wisdom in Greek) and what's wrong with that?
Interesting point in the article about free-will not existing, it does get people fired up. I'm of an age where it doesn't bother me one way or the other. It just is.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I followed on with the linked article here: https://www.theschooloflife.com/thebookoflife/the-wisdom-of-animals/

We who choose to make animals a large part of our life generally gain so much in return. I'm sure you, like me, have favourite cows in the herd and my relationship with our dogs is a highlight of my existence.

The stresses of our lives often melt when when seen from the perspective of our animal partners.

 

[Whitewalker]

I know intelligent life on Earth could be challenged but really when you look at the complexity of life and systems and the linking between so many things I cannot be but in awe at the wonder of this world.

The simple fact I’m even here , many have been before and many after and the links between us all , how we impact each other in our actions blows my mind .

Personally I can’t see how our world is just a random act of some Big Bang or some gloup that dragged itself out of an ocean . Isn’t it great we have a mind all of our own and can choose to observe what’s around us and ask the big Why

 

[Kiwi Pete]

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

The really worrying thing is that many Economists and "business leaders" genuinely think that way!

We are only now starting to wake up to just how connected the actions and fate of life on earth are.

When I did the "holistic management Fundamentals" course 3 years ago with @Sheila Cooke I found the section on our environmental worldview uncomfortable. It seemed a bit "alternative" to me with the still evolving mindset I then had. Now, looking back, it was a critical part of seeing things from a wider perspective.

 

[sjt01]

Best way to increase GDP is to have a major war - lots of weapons needed to make, lots of buildings and infrastructure to build when it is all over.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The really worrying thing is that many Economists and "business leaders" genuinely think that way!

We are only now starting to wake up to just how connected the actions and fate of life on earth are.

When I did the "holistic management Fundamentals" course 3 years ago with @Sheila Cooke I found the section on our environmental worldview uncomfortable. It seemed a bit "alternative" to me with the still evolving mindset I then had. Now, looking back, it was a critical part of seeing things from a wider perspective.

Try being a "farmer" in NZ for a while, apparently destroying the landscape for offshore benefit is alright if your sector is 'the backbone of the economy'...

Producing stuff that other people don't even want -people you don't even know - it's all "already really quite regenerative" if you overlook everything that's degrading, destructive, and degenerative about it...

 

[onesiedale]

Classic "what is wanted vs what is needed"

 

[onesiedale]

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

.....

"Don't it always seem to go,
we don't know what we've got till it's gone,
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot"

Joni Mitchell.

 

[idgni]

Not to go off topic but seen the title of the thread and this came to mind
……………….
I mowed the lawn today, and after doing so

I sat down and had a cold beer.

The day was really quite beautiful, and the drink facilitated some deep thinking.

My wife walked by and asked me what I was doing,
and I said, "Nothing."

The reason I said "nothing" instead of saying "just thinking" is because she then would have asked, "About what?"

At that point I would have had to explain that men are deep thinkers about various topics, which would lead to other questions.

Finally I pondered an age old question: Is giving birth more painful than getting kicked in the nuts?

Women always maintain that giving birth is way more painful than a guy getting kicked in the nuts, but how could they know?

Well, after another beer, and some more heavy deductive thinking, I have come up with an answer to that question.

Getting kicked in the nuts is more painful than having a baby, and even though I obviously couldn't really know, here is the reason for my conclusion:

A year or so after giving birth, a woman will often say, "It might be nice to have another child."

But you never hear a guy say, "You know, I think I would like another kick in the nuts."

I rest my case.

Time for another beer. Then maybe a nap.

 

[Macsky]

Proverbs 9v10

 

[jondear]

A great philosopher once said .Naughty ,Naughty very Naughty!

 

[ski]

I know intelligent life on Earth could be challenged but really when you look at the complexity of life and systems and the linking between so many things I cannot be but in awe at the wonder of this world.

The simple fact I’m even here , many have been before and many after and the links between us all , how we impact each other in our actions blows my mind .

Personally I can’t see how our world is just a random act of some Big Bang or some gloup that dragged itself out of an ocean . Isn’t it great we have a mind all of our own and can choose to observe what’s around us and ask the big Why

If you are a classic Darwinian, you think all senses such being hungry, scared, wanting children etc are all evolutionarily beneficial, yet the the belief that there is 'more' has been shared by every culture on earth, there fore according to their own logic it must have reason behind it. Physics and Maths are revealing that this universe and life is massively improbable. A noble winning physicist (I can't remember who) in his later years made the observation, that, after years of studying the laws of the universe and the chances of it being random, seeing intelligence in those laws he concluded that there is intelligence behind it, having said this, when he reached this point he was surprised to find a large group of theologians saying, 'what took you so long to get here'.

 

[N.Yorks.]

Lots of things are possible if the conditions are just so. We can push ourselves to extinction by following modern human desires to accumulate and consume too much crap at the expense of other life on earth OR we can understand that we fit into a hugely complex life system and do our best to keep humans co-existing within that system........

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

If you are a classic Darwinian, you think all senses such being hungry, scared, wanting children etc are all evolutionarily beneficial, yet the the belief that there is 'more' has been shared by every culture on earth, there fore according to their own logic it must have reason behind it. Physics and Maths are revealing that this universe and life is massively improbable. A noble winning physicist (I can't remember who) in his later years made the observation, that, after years of studying the laws of the universe and the chances of it being random, seeing intelligence in those laws he concluded that there is intelligence behind it, having said this, when he reached this point he was surprised to find a large group of theologians saying, 'what took you so long to get here'.

On the other hand we are only just beginning to understand the incredibly large number of planets in space, a proportion of which meet the basic physical and chemical criteria for life to be supported. That probably means that life in all it's diversity is inevitable somewhere. We could just be that somewhere.

Religion is a human construct. The rest of the planet really doesn't care....

 

[Chae1]

A great philosopher once said .Naughty ,Naughty very Naughty!

Got any salmon?

 

[onesiedale]

At Groundswell this week I got talking to a non-farming guy from London. He was there because he wanted to learn more about how food could be produced in a way that matched his ethics and beliefs. His exact words were;

"Its amazing here, it's like floating on a sea of wisdom with so many people just wanting to share their knowledge"

@martian and the team, thank you for putting on another 1st class event and meeting of minds.
I think the Regen generation has begun.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Amazing, isn't it? I met Pleasant Craigie there by chance in 2019. An ex-vegan London event promoter, she'd heard of it and took 2 days out to attend to see what she could learn about how our food is really produced.

I was getting a coffee at The Earthworms Arms when she approached me and asked if I was a farmer. That started a 90 minute conversation where I tried to answer all her basic questions and we've been in touch ever since. She's done some of the 3LM holistic training, joined us on a low stress livestock handling course and was there again this week. She recently applied for a job with the Calf at foot dairy.

She's challenged my thinking in many ways in the last 2 years and has done much more than I have to promote holistic agriculture.

It can be amazing what comes from just meeting people in an open and honest mindset.