Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[George from SJM Planning]

Yup, that's the plan. There's a few strands to the expansion so I'll get it all noted and sent off with the application.

One thing my consultant said was that because my two plots are in different planning areas (we're right on the border with one of them, it literally runs down the edge of our field), they might be a little less fussy as it's 'not on my patch'.

That may have been the case if you could put in the application without disclosing the other land but I don't think you would get PD for the size buildings you require just disclosing the 18.5ac and the 5.5ac wouldn't qualify for PD on its own so you would have to include both parcels in the application and then the two authorities will probably consult each other to ensure you haven't made applications on both plots.

 

[HereBeDragons]

That may have been the case if you could put in the application without disclosing the other land but I don't think you would get PD for the size buildings you require just disclosing the 18.5ac and the 5.5ac wouldn't qualify for PD on its own so you would have to include both parcels in the application and then the two authorities will probably consult each other to ensure you haven't made applications on both plots.

Sorry for confusion, will of course be putting the entire 24 acres in the application, but my agent seemed to think that the part without the buildings going on to wouldn't put up any objection as it's 'not in their patch'. He thought the confusion over two different planning areas might actually work in my favour a little.

 

[Forever Fendt]

heads up in the following article

 

[George from SJM Planning]

heads up in the following article

Another reason for not keeping horses lol

 

[Daniel Larn]

We've had some token advice for our current planning application, and have been told that we only need to submit a location plan as it's under PD.

...this doesn't sound quite right to me, surely you'd need a block plan or something alongside it. We could be putting the building up anywhere on 200acres without one of those. Any ideas?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

We've had some token advice for our current planning application, and have been told that we only need to submit a location plan as it's under PD.

...this doesn't sound quite right to me, surely you'd need a block plan or something alongside it. We could be putting the building up anywhere on 200acres without one of those. Any ideas?

All you NEED to supply is a location plan but this is the bare minimum. Anything you can add (block plans, Topo surveys, floor plans, elevations, flood risk assessment) would obviously give them more to go on.

 

[Daniel Larn]

All you NEED to supply is a location plan but this is the bare minimum. Anything you can add (block plans, Topo surveys, floor plans, elevations, flood risk assessment) would obviously give them more to go on.

That's what I figured, had to be the bare minimum. How likely are they to accept something without elevation drawings?

Engineering is taking their sweet time with it, and we don't have the luxury.

 

[Steevo]

We've had some token advice for our current planning application, and have been told that we only need to submit a location plan as it's under PD.

...this doesn't sound quite right to me, surely you'd need a block plan or something alongside it. We could be putting the building up anywhere on 200acres without one of those. Any ideas?

You need to put a mark on the location plan - X marks the spot as such.

All you NEED to supply is a location plan but this is the bare minimum. Anything you can add (block plans, Topo surveys, floor plans, elevations, flood risk assessment) would obviously give them more to go on.

That's what I figured, had to be the bare minimum. How likely are they to accept something without elevation drawings?

Engineering is taking their sweet time with it, and we don't have the luxury.

The more you give them sometimes it's more to trip you up. Not always true though.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

That's what I figured, had to be the bare minimum. How likely are they to accept something without elevation drawings?

Engineering is taking their sweet time with it, and we don't have the luxury.

If you can't provide them at the time of submission then either draw something yourself that will give an idea of the elevations or just describe them in text form. If they want them during the application then they will ask for them

 

[Daniel Larn]

If you can't provide them at the time of submission then either draw something yourself that will give an idea of the elevations or just describe them in text form. If they want them during the application then they will ask for them

We can provide our own drawings, and have already filled out the text description. Our own drawings aren't as professional as the official engineering drawings, but they are pretty good in terms of demonstrating the appearance of the building.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

We can provide our own drawings, and have already filled out the text description. Our own drawings aren't as professional as the official engineering drawings, but they are pretty good in terms of demonstrating the appearance of the building.

Planning will only be concerned with the bulk and appearance of the building so if your drawings can demonstrate that then use them for the time being.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

The more you give them sometimes it's more to trip you up. Not always true though.

I prefer to look at it the other way - the more you give them, the less likely they are to make incorrect assumptions. Because assumptions are the cause of most f*** ups!

 

[Steevo]

I prefer to look at it the other way - the more you give them, the less likely they are to make incorrect assumptions. Because assumptions are the cause of most f*** ups!

True.

That said (in the nicest possible way)....I've never known any professional not take the belt and braces approach in most circumstances.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

True.

That said (in the nicest possible way)....I've never known any professional not take the belt and braces approach in most circumstances.

Agreed, I'd hate for an application to be returned or even refused because I thought "oh well it'll do""

 

[Steevo]

Agreed, I'd hate for an application to be returned or even refused because I thought "oh well it'll do""

I've seen it from both angles.

One application I once had returned as the guy didn't realise other info was required. Looks bad on him as nothing was mentioned like "we'll try it without first so as to avoid the cost of XX if they don't ask for it". Especially when it then costs a few extra £000 they didn't budget for.

On the other hand, if they warn you that you might need it and then it slips through without so saves you money it's all good.

 

[Forever Fendt]

Agreed, I'd hate for an application to be returned or even refused because I thought "oh well it'll do""

Agree @GeorgieB82 Chuck the lot in and they will have difficulty justifying asking for a time extension as they can do this if they need more info

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Agree @GeorgieB82 Chuck the lot in and they will have difficulty justifying asking for a time extension as they can do this if they need more info

"Extension of time" a phrase that I am haring more and more often with less and less justification. I'm now not approving extensions without good cause. I had one ask for an extension because of the snow; I know full well he works from home 3 days a week so it shouldn't have caused any delay!

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I've seen it from both angles.

One application I once had returned as the guy didn't realise other info was required. Looks bad on him as nothing was mentioned like "we'll try it without first so as to avoid the cost of XX if they don't ask for it". Especially when it then costs a few extra £000 they didn't budget for.

On the other hand, if they warn you that you might need it and then it slips through without so saves you money it's all good.

I'll always try to let clients know what they 'might' need further down the line but in general you'll know what is needed for each application well in advance.

 

[Tarw Coch]

We can provide our own drawings, and have already filled out the text description. Our own drawings aren't as professional as the official engineering drawings, but they are pretty good in terms of demonstrating the appearance of the building.

Having looked at the planning web site in the past to get an idea of what was needed I've seen some pretty rough free hand drawings, the sort of thing a relatively young kid could do and they've still got planning, I'm sure if you've made a good attempt it will be fine judging by what I've seen.

 

[Steevo]

Having looked at the planning web site in the past to get an idea of what was needed I've seen some pretty rough free hand drawings, the sort of thing a relatively young kid could do and they've still got planning, I'm sure if you've made a good attempt it will be fine judging by what I've seen.

Those can often be agents too.....! I'll admit often more land agent than planning agent, but has been known.