Quad stolen with threats of violence

[oil barron]

The murder rate per 100,000 population 1.22 in England & Wales. 5.35 in USA. 1.5 in Saudi Arabia

Guns just escalate the level of violence.

Russia 9.5. Mexico 21.

 

[Dry Rot]

Give the police some admissible evidence and they will act on it, what they cannot do is turn over pikey sites on a vague suspicion.

They have no hesitation in seizing guns on a 'vague suspicion', regardless of whether the complaint was malicious or not, and they then ignore their own guidelines and codes of practice. The Firearms Acts were never intended to turn the country into a police state. So why not enter pikey sites on similar grounds? Plenty of posts here stating that the police won't act even when they have eye witnesses.

 

[unlacedgecko]

They have no hesitation in seizing guns on a 'vague suspicion', regardless of whether the complaint was malicious or not, and they then ignore their own guidelines and codes of practice. The Firearms Acts were never intended to turn the country into a police state. So why not enter pikey sites on similar grounds? Plenty of posts here stating that the police won't act even when they have eye witnesses.

They normally quote “officer safety”.

There’s also the fact that travellers have managed to get themselves recognised as an ethnic minority at EU level.

Being a public body, the police are a fat wallet for any lawyer seeking to make big money from a race discrimination case.

 

[David.]

I know that you have history with them; but surely you can appreciate that if the police were to ignore a report that a nutter threatened somebody, with a gun, and it turned into a murder or multiple shooting, there would be hell to pay.
They have to act first in the interest of public safety.
The firearms acts were initiated when the ruling elite got windy about the peasantry staging a revolution like the Russians, I thought.

 

[Dry Rot]

I know that you have history with them; but surely you can appreciate that if the police were to ignore a report that a nutter threatened somebody, with a gun, and it turned into a murder or multiple shooting, there would be hell to pay.
They have to act first in the interest of public safety.
The firearms acts were initiated when the ruling elite got windy about the peasantry staging a revolution like the Russians, I thought.

Correct. But the police are also required to act within the law and within strict guidelines.

When my guns were seized, I was asked to sign a piece of paper with the explanation that it was "just a receipt to say that we (the police) have taken the guns". It was headed "Voluntary Surrender of Firearms for Destruction". Fortunately, I can read!

The Police Investigations and Reviews Commission explained that away as 'a mistake with the paperwork'. These are the people we are meant to trust.

(For late comers, my guns were returned after almost a year with an apology. I have never been in trouble and have held an Open FAC for over 50 years. I was, by the way, protesting about a crime and that story is not yet over).

 

[colhonk]

Can we Farmers become an ethnic group? and get protection against polititions and red tractor

 

[yellow belly]

Gas banger wired to gate entry is effective round here
After a local farmer blew a hole in the door of a travelers car 4 hours in theatre to save his leg
Would not recommend shooting any one as the farmer spent a year in and out of court
Legal fees insurance through a good rural insurer helped clear he farmer

The problem with effective prevention of theft it is inconvenient and footpaths through farmyards make it impossible

 

[Hilly]

Must be a lot of bent farmers buying knock off gear ?

 

[glasshouse]

Then get out now, whatever you might hear America is still the land of opportunity and a welcoming home to anyone with ambition.

Maybe, but green cards are not easily come by.
What price is average crop land?
Every farmer from this area went to america in the 19th century if they could afford it

 

[glasshouse]

Must be a lot of bent farmers buying knock off gear ?

In eastern europe

 

[deleted user 837354]

Maybe make the police self funding like vosa ect. So much for each criminal they actualy bother to go out and catch. But then we have the courts to sort out and give proper sentences, and then the prisons need to be prisons, not holiday camps with teles and free phones and drugs. Possibly,or not.

No because it will be on the spot fines for everything speeding will be the main thing they focus on.

 

[deleted user 837354]

They do it for a living, they are bound to be good at it.
Give the police some admissible evidence and they will act on it, what they cannot do is turn over pikey sites on a vague suspicion.
The blame lies entirely with Government, a good deal of it with the inept shower we currently have, and yet more with the utterly inept Home Secretary, a Mrs T May, who presided over a lot of the cuts in rural policing that have accelerated the general lawlessness in the countryside. A rural copper doing the rounds at night, knowing that his nearest backup is 15 miles away, is probably not going to want to take on the heroic lads who go theiving in gangs of 4 or 5 is he? I wouldn't.
A local sheriff who had to get elected regularly, and who had half a eye to this fact, seems to me like a very good system.

Some truth in what you say, but there has never been effective rural policing and the situation you describe has existed for 20 years if not longer.

 

[Roger Perry]

Maybe, but green cards are not easily come by.
What price is average crop land?
Every farmer from this area went to america in the 19th century if they could afford it

If you want to move to America to buy or start a business then you will have no difficulties obtaining the relevant documentation, there is a system to be followed but its strait forward enough.

On the land price I cannot give you an average price, this is a big country and prices will range from $500 to $50,000 acre depending if you want to graze livestock or grow vines.

 

[orbost]

Gas banger wired to gate entry is effective round here
After a local farmer blew a hole in the door of a travelers car 4 hours in theatre to save his leg
Would not recommend shooting any one as the farmer spent a year in and out of court
Legal fees insurance through a good rural insurer helped clear he farmer

The problem with effective prevention of theft it is inconvenient and footpaths through farmyards make it impossible

What's the easiest security device you can have for locking up an ATV with out rolling about in the dirt trying to put a chain around the axle. Almost wants some kind of automatic device something simple but good which the older generation can use with ease.

 

[glasshouse]

If you want to move to America to buy or start a business then you will have no difficulties obtaining the relevant documentation, there is a system to be followed but its strait forward enough.

On the land price I cannot give you an average price, this is a big country and prices will range from $500 to $50,000 acre depending if you want to graze livestock or grow vines.

I meant a price for average crop land, in your area, not the average land price

 

[PostHarvest]

I think the real problem is in the justice system. Its so slow and laborious that the police just get fed up. One night in June 2017, I had some small tools stolen out of my car. The police actually caught the thieves with the stolen gear and arrested them then released them on bail. One year and 10 days later a policeman visited me with info that the CPA thought there were sufficient grounds for a trial. Almost 2 years after the theft they were summonsed to appear in court. One of the thieves pleaded not guilty and was let off with a caution. (He was caught in possession of my gear so how could he possibly be not guilty) The other - with an Eastern European name - seems to have skipped the country. If they had hauled them out of the cells into court the day after they were arrested, a huge amount of time and expense would have been saved and the police would have had a result that might have given them some job satisfaction.

 

[335d]

From simple steering locks to frame locks see below. Cordless grinder will open most of them

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I have seen the type which slide into the center of the wheel rim-with a Yale door lock affair. the lock springs in when in the closed position. No lock to cut, makes it slightly harder to open

 

[glasshouse]

I think the real problem is in the justice system. Its so slow and laborious that the police just get fed up. One night in June 2017, I had some small tools stolen out of my car. The police actually caught the thieves with the stolen gear and arrested them then released them on bail. One year and 10 days later a policeman visited me with info that the CPA thought there were sufficient grounds for a trial. Almost 2 years after the theft they were summonsed to appear in court. One of the thieves pleaded not guilty and was let off with a caution. (He was caught in possession of my gear so how could he possibly be not guilty) The other - with an Eastern European name - seems to have skipped the country. If they had hauled them out of the cells into court the day after they were arrested, a huge amount of time and expense would have been saved and the police would have had a result that might have given them some job satisfaction.

There is no justice, the deep pockets win every time

 

[Grassman]

I think the real problem is in the justice system. Its so slow and laborious that the police just get fed up.
. If they had hauled them out of the cells into court the day after they were arrested, a huge amount of time and expense would have been saved and the police would have had a result that might have given them some job satisfaction.

I agree. We had a new aluminium ladder stolen out of a house garden.
It was taken by a painter working at a neighbouring house. About five witnesses saw a man dressed in white overalls take it away. My daughter saw him drive up the road with it pushed up to the windscreen of a transit van.
Police charged him.
About 8 months later his court. He gets to choose pictures of men for an identity parade which happens on a laptop computer.
By then most witnesses struggled to be certain it was him due to the time lapse but most were pretty sure. It got thrown out of court because of that.

 

[deleted user 837354]

The UK justice system is largely ineffectual. The prison service is just not large enough for the job and is woefully underfunded and so handing out sentences is probably the last thing they want to do.

We need a load of prison ships anchored off the coast. Let the Americans run them, they seem to manage their prisons quite cheaply and are no strangers to locking folk up often for a long time.