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Lot better varieties out now.
we had a mix with Amos, Corvus and Pavo years ago and found it quite persistent. Have since tried other stuff (can't remember the names but was disappointed compared.
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Lot better varieties out now.
No i mean what fert/muck?Depends how much is there, either block graze or let them have the whole field
Sorry, use composted FYM , dirty water and slurry.No i mean what fert/muck?
They ain't in the recommended bible thenLot better varieties out now.
That may be the casse but Red clover will not persist if continuously grazed or cut to frequently at 30 days . Recomendation is 6 to 8 weeksOnly 3 cuts?
Why 6 weeks?
We cut with 1st cut 14th May
34 days later 2nd cut
46 days later 3rd cut and
37 days later 4th cut.
Heifers then went into it mid October.
that is because the beast grazes the crown off the plant and repeated cutting too lowThat may be the casse but Red clover will not persist if continuously grazed or cut more frequently than every 30 days . Recomendation is 6 to 8 weeks
That's why ours doesn't last the 2-3 years as stated. Getting 5 or more years must be due to bad cutting management we doThat may be the casse but Red clover will not persist if continuously grazed or cut to frequently at 30 days . Recomendation is 6 to 8 weeks
Sheep are the main culprits of this.that is because the beast grazes the crown off the plant and repeated cutting too low
hence lasts longer if cut at 3 inch stubble
The two Aber prefix are yes best put your glasses onThey ain't in the recommended bible then
Not Tertaploid and look at 1st cut yield . Important for a Dairy Farmer and Atlantis is higher in CPThe two Aber prefix are yes best put your glasses [emoji165] on [emoji2]
And you open a can off worms . Some will say its only a mating that counts and others will argue its the ragwort effect . Builds up over time then hits you . But they all seem to agree the effect is worse in conserved forage . The good thing is it only effects breeding ewes , rams lambs and cattle unaffected
Will show you the data tonight .Really? I've just been leafing through the Cotswold Grass Seeds brochure that came the other day, and they say the exact opposite of that (which I was always led to believe).
From AberReally? I've just been leafing through the Cotswold Grass Seeds brochure that came the other day, and they say the exact opposite of that (which I was always led to believe).
Always led to believe that was correct advice.From Aber
Red clover can contain phyto-oestrogens which can reduce ovulation rates in sheep. Providing breeding ewes are removed from grazing red clover 6 weeks before and 6 weeks after tupping then the risk of reduced fertility is negligible.
Only says can. Would imagine plant breeding maybe able to remove that issue?
I have done an alfull lot of reading on the subject , not for my own gain, i no longer keep sheep, but i sell seed so try and offer responsible advice , for every article that states just remove at mating i could show you another 4 that state that after effects can be cumulative over time, this would depend on the amount of clover in the sward but given the findings bellow I think it rather foolish to feed a pure stand of red clover silage to breeding sheep over the winter , but then its up to a sheep farmer to make his own mind up on the subjectReally? I've just been leafing through the Cotswold Grass Seeds brochure that came the other day, and they say the exact opposite of that (which I was always led to believe).
As research as a comedian?I have done an alfull lot of reading on the subject , not for my own gain
Its a shame a sheep farmer opened the discussion about it then[emoji23]Don’t know any sheep farmers that grow red clover for sheep and for silage intended for sheep.
Always led to believe that red clover was the dairymans choice for 3-4 cuts of high protein silage with grass to reduce the amount of bought in feeds.