Red Tractor Ignoring questions about their data sharing.

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Below is a copy of an email I sent to 2 email addresses at Red Tractor on the 12/12/23. I received no answer, so I chased Red Tractor for an answer at the beginning of this week. Still no response.

The Information Commissioner's Office (IOC) expect data requests to be handled within 1 calendar month.

Another farmer has just told me they have been waiting since October for information about data sharing and has chased Red Tractor twice about it.

So here we are with yet another example of how Red Tractor treats it's farmer members. If the boot was on the other foot they would now be stopped from trading having failed to comply within 30 days!



Dear Ms Tacon,

I am a combinable crops grower and an increasingly reluctant member of Red Tractor. I am writing to you in my capacity as a farmer, and as a member of the steering committee of the British Farming Union.

I am a member of Red Tractor because it has now become a necessity for me to retain access to the marketplace that was once freely open to me. However, I do not perceive that I receive any tangible benefit from my membership, other than access to the same marketplace that was once available to me without payment to Red Tractor. I am sure you can see how that is causing some resentment, especially as UK agriculture moves through the Agricultural Transition period and the phasing out of direct payments.

I note in your open email to Red Tractor Members dated the 23rd October 2023 that you stated that “Red Tractor has a clear policy on data sharing – the farmer controls their own data and, as with current systems, nothing is shared without the farmers express permission, which they can withdraw at any time.

I ask you to outline what data Red Tractor shares with 3rd parties and why they share it.

I also ask you confirm, in writing, that the withdrawal of my permission for Red Tractor to share data with any 3rd party would not result in any negative impact on my business, or interfere with the marketing of my produce, or the delivery of that product to the purchaser.

If you are unable to confirm the above, I would suggest that my ability to control my data is not really within my control as you suggested. Just as my membership of Red Tractor is no longer really voluntary as I cannot market my produce without it.

I look forward to your response.

Yours Sincerely,

George Renner
For the British Farming Union
 
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B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Ive added my letter to Twitter to ask Red Tractor in public, see link below:
https://x.com/gjrenner/status/1746076909992300761?s=20

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Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
How can the scheme operate if mills can't check FA status of the farmer? Oh dear.

Think I'm correct on saying feed mills, merchant stores etc. are supposed to check on the RT register to confirm assurance status of the load.

I suppose we could also withdraw permission of merchants to share our data. i.e. they can't give th grain passport to a mill, as it would have our address on it.

Are RT in breach of ICO information laws if they don't respond? I suppose the farmers might need to actually request withdrawal of data sharing permissions? Then wait a month.

At the moment they pass our full names and addresses about to anyone they like afaik.
 

L P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Newbury
How can the scheme operate if mills can't check FA status of the farmer? Oh dear.

Think I'm correct on saying feed mills, merchant stores etc. are supposed to check on the RT register to confirm assurance status of the load.

I suppose we could also withdraw permission of merchants to share our data. i.e. they can't give th grain passport to a mill, as it would have our address on it.

Are RT in breach of ICO information laws if they don't respond? I suppose the farmers might need to actually request withdrawal of data sharing permissions? Then wait a month.

At the moment they pass our full names and addresses about to anyone they like afaik.
ICO isn't worth a sh!t, they are an incredibly weak bunch of jobsworths. I went through an ICO case last year. They do not have any power to enforce their own rules unfortunately
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
ICO isn't worth a sh!t, they are an incredibly weak bunch of jobsworths. I went through an ICO case last year. They do not have any power to enforce their own rules unfortunately
Like many government/official agencies they will only act when absolutely forced to, unless instructed to by a higher authority.

Look at the post office scandal! People at the top happy to lie to hide their organizations failings, regardless of the devastation caused to others. Checks and balances of the system failed repeatedly to unearth the truth.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
ICO isn't worth a sh!t, they are an incredibly weak bunch of jobsworths. I went through an ICO case last year. They do not have any power to enforce their own rules unfortunately

It does make you wonder....it seems so many government agencies are given powers (like the Post Office to prosecute) that they abuse and thus almost don't deserve.....and then based on your experience the ICO don't have the powers to enforce their own rules.
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
I am really starting to hate our country and the so called benefit of all this so called progression of society. It’s all bulls**t and creating far more misery than the past simple way of the world, although many floors it was far less decisive than todays world. If you work hard you should be rewarded where as now it’s topsy turvy.
 

Tamar

Member
I would like to know if the RPA / DEFRA have access to RT data.

I have asked Janet Hughes in the past with out an answer but perhaps @Defra Farming may answer :unsure:



I would imagine RT sells our data to others.
 

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