Red Tractor, Mrs Batters remarks!

[bobk]

Apparently the south American's are ready to import the day after Brexit they can do beef at half our price and the catering trade especially don't give a feck where it comes from

Who told you that ...... a remainer ...

 

[David.]

You could well be right. You're quite within your rights to state that. No need to comment on anyone's looks though (I speak as someone who always had a face made for radio)

I agree.

 

[Henarar]

Who told you that ...... a remainer ...

when I suggested to him the government would screw us over he said what government LOL

 

[Simon Chiles]

I agree we certainly need something that's clear to consumers, realistic, honest (and therefore credible) affordable and well marketed that sets us apart from lower standard imports or products and practices banned in the UK

Red Tractor is way to far broken and lacks any credibility now though IMO, it achieves none of the above and the last people that should be involved in (owning) such thing should be the NFU - their job should be to independently hold such schemes accountable and make sure they serve the interest of farmers

I agree that the Red Tractor scheme should be divorced form the NFU, or at least the NFU should be in a position to represent farmers and hold them to account over unnecessary burden. I also think you’re right that RT need a rapid restructuring and need to serve the people that actually pay for their existence, personally I’d rather that than trying to start something else as I think RT has started, albeit a bit lame, to mean something to consumers. I suspect the top brass at RT haven’t the balls for a major shake up and only when the whole thing collapses will they wake up and by then it’ll be too late.
I still maintain the most important part that both the NFU and RT are missing is that without proper food labelling we are all fudged ( and our customers) in a race to the bottom. For example, a friend of mine went it his local Tesco and the large banner over the bacon aisle said that British bacon was on special offer. He couldn’t find any British bacon, only Danish. He asked for the manager to come and show him where the British bacon was that was on offer and, not surprisingly he couldn’t so my friend accused him of fraud at requested the banner was removed.
Unless we insist that it is illegal to label something as produced in Britain unless it is 100% then we haven’t a chance of promoting ourselves or our products and therefore the RT scheme is worthless.

 

[JP1]

I agree that the Red Tractor scheme should be divorced form the NFU, or at least the NFU should be in a position to represent farmers and hold them to account over unnecessary burden. I also think you’re right that RT need a rapid restructuring and need to serve the people that actually pay for their existence, personally I’d rather that than trying to start something else as I think RT has started, albeit a bit lame, to mean something to consumers. I suspect the top brass at RT haven’t the balls for a major shake up and only when the whole thing collapses will they wake up and by then it’ll be too late.
I still maintain the most important part that both the NFU and RT are missing is that without proper food labelling we are all fudged ( and our customers) in a race to the bottom. For example, a friend of mine went it his local Tesco and the large banner over the bacon aisle said that British bacon was on special offer. He couldn’t find any British bacon, only Danish. He asked for the manager to come and show him where the British bacon was that was on offer and, not surprisingly he couldn’t so my friend accused him of fraud at requested the banner was removed.
Unless we insist that it is illegal to label something as produced in Britain unless it is 100% then we haven’t a chance of promoting ourselves or our products and therefore the RT scheme is worthless.

^^^^ this

Second post of the week

 

[Clive]

I agree that the Red Tractor scheme should be divorced form the NFU, or at least the NFU should be in a position to represent farmers and hold them to account over unnecessary burden. I also think you’re right that RT need a rapid restructuring and need to serve the people that actually pay for their existence, personally I’d rather that than trying to start something else as I think RT has started, albeit a bit lame, to mean something to consumers. I suspect the top brass at RT haven’t the balls for a major shake up and only when the whole thing collapses will they wake up and by then it’ll be too late.
I still maintain the most important part that both the NFU and RT are missing is that without proper food labelling we are all fudged ( and our customers) in a race to the bottom. For example, a friend of mine went it his local Tesco and the large banner over the bacon aisle said that British bacon was on special offer. He couldn’t find any British bacon, only Danish. He asked for the manager to come and show him where the British bacon was that was on offer and, not surprisingly he couldn’t so my friend accused him of fraud at requested the banner was removed.
Unless we insist that it is illegal to label something as produced in Britain unless it is 100% then we haven’t a chance of promoting ourselves or our products and therefore the RT scheme is worthless.

I agree - it’s such a mess right now though where on earth would anyone start !

Chances of NFU divorcing ownership ?

Chances of RT nanagment accepting its not working ? - effectively sacking themselves ?

I reckon it could be sorted out, would be one hell of a challenge though and radical reform to say the least !

 

[Martyn]

I agree that the Red Tractor scheme should be divorced form the NFU, or at least the NFU should be in a position to represent farmers and hold them to account over unnecessary burden. I also think you’re right that RT need a rapid restructuring and need to serve the people that actually pay for their existence, personally I’d rather that than trying to start something else as I think RT has started, albeit a bit lame, to mean something to consumers. I suspect the top brass at RT haven’t the balls for a major shake up and only when the whole thing collapses will they wake up and by then it’ll be too late.
I still maintain the most important part that both the NFU and RT are missing is that without proper food labelling we are all fudged ( and our customers) in a race to the bottom. For example, a friend of mine went it his local Tesco and the large banner over the bacon aisle said that British bacon was on special offer. He couldn’t find any British bacon, only Danish. He asked for the manager to come and show him where the British bacon was that was on offer and, not surprisingly he couldn’t so my friend accused him of fraud at requested the banner was removed.
Unless we insist that it is illegal to label something as produced in Britain unless it is 100% then we haven’t a chance of promoting ourselves or our products and therefore the RT scheme is worthless.

I complained twice to Tesco about their British asparagus coming from Purro , on the third time I wripped down their banners and had the manager out. This was a few years ago, don't go near the place now

 

[Clive]

I complained twice to Tesco about their British asparagus coming from Purro , on the third time I wripped down their banners and had the manager our. This was a few years ago, don't go near the place now

Would be better to document (photo etc) complain to the ASA (advertising standards agency) - they would have got a big fine and the publicity from that could be leveraged (cheaply via social media) to promote British ag and shane the supermarket

 

[Old Boar]

I had not seen the ads - maybe not running in Wales?
As I recall, a bit of a fuss made by two women on here proving that a bit of beef could not be traced from farm to fork (farm to slaugher being the only traceability) to the ASA changed the ad line to "traceable, safe and farmed with care". That is no better as the meat in a packet of mince CANNOT be traced. We were told that the person who owns the fork (the consumer) did not actually mean that.

I have asked numerous people in the meat isle in the supermarket what red tractor means to them, and they have no idea for the most part. The only other remark is that it is British.
We spend a lot of money to RT. What do we get back in real terms? Anyone seen the books and actually looked at the figures, if they exist?

 

[Martyn]

Would be better to document (photo etc) complain to the ASA (advertising standards agency) - they would have got a big fine and the publicity from that could be leveraged (cheaply via social media) to promote British ag and shane the supermarket

I was younger then, I would now, expect it wouldn't take many visits to Tesco to get evidence. The asparagus was all neatly presented on Union Jack back ground with hanging signs for red tractor and British grown, you couldn't make it up. Manager said they had run out of British stock so provided an alternative

 

[Simon Chiles]

I agree - it’s such a mess right now though where on earth would anyone start !

Chances of NFU divorcing ownership ?

Chances of RT nanagment accepting its not working ? - effectively sacking themselves ?

I reckon it could be sorted out, would be one hell of a challenge though and radical reform to say the least !

If they don’t wake up pronto then between them they’ll be responsible for the death of British farming. What they forget is no farmers ( or at least struggling farmers) means no subscriptions.

 

[tinsheet]

Apparently the south American's are ready to import the day after Brexit they can do beef at half our price and the catering trade especially don't give a feck where it comes from

If the South Americans get their beef here in numbers we're stuffed as a beef producing country. .

 

[Henarar]

Would be better to document (photo etc) complain to the ASA (advertising standards agency) - they would have got a big fine and the publicity from that could be leveraged (cheaply via social media) to promote British ag and shane the supermarket

then rip the fecking banner down and get the manager out

 

[Wooly]

If the South Americans get their beef here in numbers we're stuffed as a beef producing country. .

They have been sending beef here for decades !

Look on the bright side...... no deal Brexit will hinder the Irish beef trade to Great Britain

 

[Henarar]

If the South Americans get their beef here in numbers we're stuffed as a beef producing country. .

yep if our government jump that way after brexit [whatever that is] its game over for all but a few specialist markets, been saying that since before the ref
but on the bright side at least we will know which bustards to go and give a bloody good kicking to [metaphorically speaking of Corse]

 

[Henarar]

They have been sending beef here for decades !

Look on the bright side...... no deal Brexit will hinder the Irish beef trade to Great Britain

for how long ? half a day

 

[tinsheet]

They have been sending beef here for decades !

Look on the bright side...... no deal Brexit will hinder the Irish beef trade to Great Britain

In greater numbers than they are currently.

 

[Wolds Beef]

We are getting a little side tracked here. How can we get Red tractor to listen? How can we get the NFU to listen to its members.? @Guy Smith has not even put his view forward on this thread! I am a long standing NFU supporter and it would be good to see them do something about this. I am currently waiting for a banner for Beef Week to put at the end of the Farm. My G secretary is looking in to it.
WB

 

[bobk]

I would imagine Guy would take one look at one poster's misogynistic comments about how Minette looks and have all the ammo he needs to drop a comment on here about how poor TFF is in representing the views of his constituency and move on.

That comment was an own goal and flies in the face of some excellent and thoughtful posts especially over food labelling and import monitors

We've had two reports on bob's comments but I'm surprised there's not been more on here voicing how unkind and unhelpful and irrelevant his comments about Minette's looks are. I have not deleted the comments as I thought peer pressure would prevail and I couldn't square any breach of TFF rules.

Not too late to ask for your own comments to be taken down Bob

Take it down jeremy , I have no wishes to offend , if I have then I apologise unreservedly .

 

[delilah]

I complained twice to Tesco about their British asparagus coming from Purro , on the third time I wripped down their banners and had the manager out. This was a few years ago, don't go near the place now

The last time I went in a Tesco was about 15 yrs ago, that was to put 'don't buy this, buy local' stickers on their produce. Why anyone connected with farming would want to go in there for any reason other than to protest is beyond me.