Riding the storm

[gone up the hill]

Thats a good report,should be doing that out on farm nowadays,if you pass you get your SFP/enviro payment.Fail, you get it taken off you SFP etc.

Enough red tape/ box ticking now without adding to it.

 

[DRC]

Very interesting document.
Imagine if they did that now?
Must have been very harsh on those who had survived the thirties by being frugal only to have it snatched off you by the war ag

Needs must I suppose, as they needed to dig for victory and couldn't afford any land to be farms poorly.

 

[glasshouse]

The form never mentioned lack of investment by landlord

 

[DRC]

The form never mentioned lack of investment by landlord

Are they obliged to? We always had something done as part of any rent review, drainage or building improvement.
20 years ago, they moved us to a greenfield site, with new 4 bed farmhouse, grainstore, cattle sheds etc, as they got PP on the village site, when they could've been a lot harder.

 

[glasshouse]

Are they obliged to? We always had something done as part of any rent review, drainage or building improvement.
20 years ago, they moved us to a greenfield site, with new 4 bed farmhouse, grainstore, cattle sheds etc, as they got PP on the village site, when they could've been a lot harder.

Things were diffferent in 1941, there had been little investment since Victorian times.
Lack of facilities, roads, sheds etc would be a major impediment to efficient farming in 1941 just as it is in 2017

 

[two-cylinder]

Needs must I suppose, as they needed to dig for victory and couldn't afford any land to be farms poorly.

According to my late grandfather: most of the requisitioned farms were run just as badly, and some worse by the War ag.
It was mostly poor land without the potential to perform well, and the War ag's did not have the experience to make the most of what they'd seized.

 

[tanker]

Loss of subsidy,loss of export markets and NZ/Aus at the front of the trade deal queue,and it doesn't take a genius to work what they'll be sending us in return for whatever we send to them..other than those 3 slight bumps in the road it'll all be hunky dory..

 

[two-cylinder]

I'm yet to meet anyone who can tell me how to make up for the loss of subs?

 

[Giles1]

I'm yet to meet anyone who can tell me how to make up for the loss of subs?

That's easy,cut income tax and put import tariffs up.

 

[glasshouse]

According to my late grandfather: most of the requisitioned farms were run just as badly, and some worse by the War ag.
It was mostly poor land without the potential to perform well, and the War ag's did not have the experience to make the most of what they'd seized.

It seems those that got on the war ag sometimes did not act in good faith, ie some old scores may have been settled and some coveted land acquired

 

[glasshouse]

I'm yet to meet anyone who can tell me how to make up for the loss of subs?

Rents down, fert down, fuel tax abolished, electronic tags abolished
Plenty of scope

 

[neilo]

Apparently, after F & M 40% were going to throw in the towel. Obviously they didn't, as I don't see 40% of farmland deserted........

I know of plenty that did, all graziers that had been relying on bits of grazing here & there, and all running well over 1000 ewes.

A lot of that ground is now let at much lower rates, run at low stocking rates and looking like sh*te. ELS & HLS came along to help the landlords make up some of their reduced rental income, and continue the downward spiral in that land's productivity.

 

[RushesToo]

There's always been change , as this document demonstrates. 1941 and the farm was only 285 acres , but supporting 6 workers.
The other document was the farm being assed by the war Ag . If you were deemed in category B or C, you would most likely have your farm requisitioned .

@silverfox I typed it out so a search engine could find it.

Mixed Agricultural holding. UK. 1942

Wheat 12
Barley 15
Oats 5
mixed corn no wheat in mix 18
Potatoes main crop 2
Fodder turnips.swedes 4
Mangolds 3
Sugar beet 6
Clover sainfoin and temporary grasses 25.5
Permanent grasses 53
Permanent grasses for grazing 285.5


heifers in milk 52
cows in calf no milk 2
heifers in calf 14
Bulls 1
other cows male <2years 8
other cows female <2years 12
other cows male 1-2 yrs 22
other cows female 1-2 yrs 20


Fowls >6 months 50
Fowls <6 months 60
Ducks 4


Agricultural horses mares 3
Agricultural horses geldings 1
Unbroken horse female <1year 1
Heavy horse <1 year 1


Males workers 18-21yrs 4
Casual workers male >21yrs 1
Casual workers female >21yrs 1

I have to be honest it was a bit of a trial to give those in the future some history, it reminded me of "a Farmers life" hudson[?] and put back in my mind what a mixed farm meant, and how much food was worth to employ this many folk.

Thank you.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Loss of subsidy,loss of export markets and NZ/Aus at the front of the trade deal queue,and it doesn't take a genius to work what they'll be sending us in return for whatever we send to them..other than those 3 slight bumps in the road it'll all be hunky dory..

No, no , not more Landrovers!!!

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I'm yet to meet anyone who can tell me how to make up for the loss of subs?

Force the supermarkets to pay the "correct" price, what kind of government finds it acceptable for farmers to sell produce at or below cost and lets the supermarket/retailer sell it at a profit? Imagine if public sector workers, ie at the council or central government, were told "you can work but we will pay you below the minimum hourly rate, and if you need extra, then go to the dole office"

 

[Blod]

If you go to the Forum/conference, come and say hello https://businesswales.gov.wales/far...u_2017/wales_farmers_forum_web_attachment.pdf

 

[Kevtherev]

I know of plenty that did, all graziers that had been relying on bits of grazing here & there, and all running well over 1000 ewes.

A lot of that ground is now let at much lower rates, run at low stocking rates and looking like sh*te. ELS & HLS came along to help the landlords make up some of their reduced rental income, and continue the downward spiral in that land's productivity.

That's where I come in [emoji106]

 

[d williams]

Depends on scale. 250 hill lambs @ £40 only comes to 10k before costs. Even with no costs it's not much to live on. Ten times as many might work but take out rent and other essential costs and it's still only scraping a living.

250 hill lambs isn't a Saturday
Mornings work every week so doesn't justify a lot add in a windmill or two very nice thank you some around doing very nice thank you windmills easy money

 

[GTB]

250 hill lambs isn't a Saturday
Mornings work every week so doesn't justify a lot add in a windmill or two very nice thank you some around doing very nice thank you windmills easy money

I know 250 lambs isn't a full time job but people have made a living on similar numbers in the past. Even though they might have been relying on subs to make ends meet at least they were still living on the farm and not adding to the huge problem of depopulation that we have seen, and are still seeing in hill areas.

As for windmills, count your blessings if you can get planning and grid connection. Nearly feck ing impossible in some areas. We have dozens of turbines to the south of us but we couldn't get grid for love nor money. There were even big plans to develop a huge wind farm on the hills above here but the company involved failed to get planning to bring new power lines into the area. And we're not even in a national park!

 

[glasshouse]

Force the supermarkets to pay the "correct" price, what kind of government finds it acceptable for farmers to sell produce at or below cost and lets the supermarket/retailer sell it at a profit? Imagine if public sector workers, ie at the council or central government, were told "you can work but we will pay you below the minimum hourly rate, and if you need extra, then go to the dole office"

That is exactly what happens in britain.
Working tax credits were brought in by gordon brown 15yrs ago so if workers want more cash, they dont do overtime, they just fill in a form. Thats what fuelled the consumer credit boom and housing madnesss.
All the casual workers for spuds etc vapourised overnight after that and they had to import all the poles to take over.
And we know how that ended!