Rumenco maxx or crystalyx

Sheepfog

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Location
Southern England
I think it was @Nithsdale Farmer or @neilo who had the same on recently, if I remember correctly it was too do with protein levels. Fine if you were just after pure energy. Maybe I'm wrong

I'm currently feed Brinicombe's Easi Sheep 18 - so an 18% protein liquid feed of molasses/urea. The crystalyx blocks are 12% protein and 16 ME. Can't remember what the liquid feed's ME is. But you're right, it is a slightly different product. I'm using the liquid feed to supplement old permanent pasture and hay in the winter. Cake will be introduced closer to lambing. Just curious as to consumption and cost difference.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I'm currently feed Brinicombe's Easi Sheep 18 - so an 18% protein liquid feed of molasses/urea. The crystalyx blocks are 12% protein and 16 ME. Can't remember what the liquid feed's ME is. But you're right, it is a slightly different product. I'm using the liquid feed to supplement old permanent pasture and hay in the winter. Cake will be introduced closer to lambing. Just curious as to consumption and cost difference.

I haven't used liquid feed for nearly 5 years, but used to use it extensively. Intakes would be a lot higher with liquid, but that means it would be supplying far more by way of nutrition. I have been using Downland Optilix (same as Chrystallix/Rumenco Maxx) to supplement old pp and rough hay this Autumn, but IME it will only reduce their condition loss. Intakes just aren't high enough to provide for any more than that. That's fine for these ewes, which were tupped in early November (so hopefully settled in lamb) and will be hitting the roots next week.
I would expect ad-lib liquid feed on that forage to at least maintain their condition.

Different products for different jobs IMO.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
My understanding of liquid feeds is there better in a TMR type system like @Nithsdale Farmer uses it for, OR if your running complete brokers and they are struggling with the available forage then liquid feeds keeps them going but their intakes are massive then as that’s all they can consume...

I can’t see why all of these mineral bucket companies can have so many different types of buckets all to basically do the same thing?
I’m still confused about whether to use lifeline, maxx or crystalyx high energy? I’m going to phone them direct next week and get to the bottom of it!
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
My understanding of liquid feeds is there better in a TMR type system like @Nithsdale Farmer uses it for, OR if your running complete brokers and they are struggling with the available forage then liquid feeds keeps them going but their intakes are massive then as that’s all they can consume...

I can’t see why all of these mineral bucket companies can have so many different types of buckets all to basically do the same thing?
I’m still confused about whether to use lifeline, maxx or crystalyx high energy? I’m going to phone them direct next week and get to the bottom of it!


They aren't the same, though...

The lifeline buckets/blocks are a much more 'complete' pre lambing feed supplement - you should be able to, in theory, money no object, feed nothing but those and as long as you keep them infront of the ewes they will do ok.

But the Hi-Energy, Maxx-Lix, Opti-Lix are all just sources of energy with a few other bits thrown in - you couldn't give twin or triplet rearing ewes Hi-energy buckets alone on marginal grass and expect them to do well
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
My understanding of liquid feeds is there better in a TMR type system like @Nithsdale Farmer uses it for, OR if your running complete brokers and they are struggling with the available forage then liquid feeds keeps them going but their intakes are massive then as that’s all they can consume...

I can’t see why all of these mineral bucket companies can have so many different types of buckets all to basically do the same thing?
I’m still confused about whether to use lifeline, maxx or crystalyx high energy? I’m going to phone them direct next week and get to the bottom of it!

Liquid feeds, or those based on urea and molasses anyway, don't have massive intakes on ad-lib, even with brokers. The urea content makes it self-limiting, at surprisingly reasonable levels, depending on what protein they are getting from the total diet. Intakes will be further reduced if you use a 21% liquid instead of a 16%, as they will reach that limit from less liquid, but taking less molasses so less energy intake.

Cheaper liquids like straight molasses or pot ale syrup don't have the urea inclusion, so will not self-limit. Intakes from those could be a lot higher, so working out more expensive per head (but getting more energy in).
 

Woolly

Member
Location
W Wales
They aren't the same, though...

The lifeline buckets/blocks are a much more 'complete' pre lambing feed supplement - you should be able to, in theory, money no object, feed nothing but those and as long as you keep them infront of the ewes they will do ok.

But the Hi-Energy, Maxx-Lix, Opti-Lix are all just sources of energy with a few other bits thrown in - you couldn't give twin or triplet rearing ewes Hi-energy buckets alone on marginal grass and expect them to do well
So the Lifeline buckets would be a safer bet if on marginal grass? Lifeline consumption might be a useful indicator of the feed value of the forage etc that they've got?

Or given the choice, will they eat the Lifeline and leave the forage?

At £700/T Lifeline is quite a bit cheaper than Crystalyx etc.
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
So the Lifeline buckets would be a safer bet if on marginal grass? Lifeline consumption might be a useful indicator of the feed value of the forage etc that they've got?

Or given the choice, will they eat the Lifeline and leave the forage?

At £700/T Lifeline is quite a bit cheaper than Crystalyx etc.


No, I wouldn't put my neck on the block and be so bold to suggest feeding them on their own! :bag:

If you are wanting to actually feed sheep with convenience, IMO you need to move to the blocks. Lifeline blocks are around £500/t IIRC (I used them once or twice 3-4 years ago), but I'd personally use the green Hi-Energy blocks alongside at £400/t so you are effectively getting 2t of blocks for the almost 1t of buckets. They also do an orange block which IIRC has fishmeal or fish oil in it, which would be another good one to consider.

If I'm right in saying @DrDunc feeds his ewes on blocks alone (apologies Dunc if I'm confusing you with someone else), he would could tell you how it works.
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
So the Lifeline buckets would be a safer bet if on marginal grass? Lifeline consumption might be a useful indicator of the feed value of the forage etc that they've got?

Or given the choice, will they eat the Lifeline and leave the forage?

At £700/T Lifeline is quite a bit cheaper than Crystalyx etc.
On my marginal grass (mountain) I use Rumevite blocks, the ones in bags. The amount they use depends on the forage in front of them, both amount and quality. I never have excess consumption, on the contrary, I would like them to be taking more mostly. This is especially true in a drying East wind which sucks the moisture out of the block surface and makes them less palatable. The fix for that is to turn them over every time you go past. As Rumenco sell 3-4 different formulations you can adjust consumption by changing the block type. On twin bearers I start with high energy and change to extra nearer lambing or depending on the season.
 

DrDunc

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
No, I wouldn't put my neck on the block and be so bold to suggest feeding them on their own! :bag:

If you are wanting to actually feed sheep with convenience, IMO you need to move to the blocks. Lifeline blocks are around £500/t IIRC (I used them once or twice 3-4 years ago), but I'd personally use the green Hi-Energy blocks alongside at £400/t so you are effectively getting 2t of blocks for the almost 1t of buckets. They also do an orange block which IIRC has fishmeal or fish oil in it, which would be another good one to consider.

If I'm right in saying @DrDunc feeds his ewes on blocks alone (apologies Dunc if I'm confusing you with someone else), he would could tell you how it works.
I must be doing something wrong.

My 1100 ewes get 18% protein rumenco blocks and haylage through the winter, then switch to 16% protein high energy lick tubs and haylage from March to end of lambing.

They're never inside, and get no other supplement. They're shut up fairly tight through the winter so there's (hopefully) some grass to lamb on come April.

My understanding of the blocks is that a ewes rumen rovided with good quality haylage roughage, will digest it far better than haylage alone. They won't do well enough on poor winter grass and blocks alone?

It works for me.....
 
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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
So the Lifeline buckets would be a safer bet if on marginal grass? Lifeline consumption might be a useful indicator of the feed value of the forage etc that they've got?

Or given the choice, will they eat the Lifeline and leave the forage?

At £700/T Lifeline is quite a bit cheaper than Crystalyx etc.

I used Lifeline blocks fro a couple of years when we moved to outdoor lambing & no cake. They hardly touched them at all (lambing on pp ryegrass leys then), so stopped using them. The idea was to improve the colostrum quality with their magic ingredient (the name of which I forget), but if they aren't taking any of the blocks, they aren't taking any 'magic' either. I did have a ton of the Lifeline round blocks to try once, but they were so soft they were eating them like toffees, very expensive toffees at that.:eek:

I moved to bolusing the ewes to ensure adequate Se pre-lambing, dropped the toffees, and found no difference. If lambing is timed to match grass growth (which sometimes works out), those fresh green shoots are better than any feed you can buy IMO.
 
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Hi we have been using supalyx and max and can say the max are much harder and last a lot longer we haven’t had any problems! We do move on to life line 7 weeks before lambing tho
 

exmoor dave

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Location
exmoor, uk
Lots of people do (myself included) - because it's a source of energy infront of the ewes 24/7 in the last few weeks of pregnancy. Used as insurance to keep TLD away.
Those buckets are not feed buckets.


They are very useful at preventing TLD if you end up housing close to lambing, particularly for young ewes who don't know what cake is or are abit silly about eating hay.
 

GTB

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
I've been feeding Optilix / Maxx buckets to the ewes for over a week and in that time I'd say they've lost condition. Yes, the weather has been awful, first rain and now cold North-Easterly wind with a bit of snow/sleet/hail but I'm still a bit dissapointed. They do have some grass and access to reasonably good round bale silage. Should I be feeding Rumevite blocks instead/aswell?

I would normally be starting to feed some cake and fodder beet by now but the ground has been too wet to even consider it. With a bit of luck half the ewes will be inside in the next fortnight or so.
 

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