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Scottish Sub Calving index 410 days
- Thread starter unlacedgecko
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Thanks!
ringi
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Not that bad as not forced to keep calving within 410 for all cows to be able to claim on same. The payment per calf will automatically increase if less people are able to claim.
choochter
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- Location
- aberdeenshire
are you sure about that?
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
It's up £5 per calf this year because less calves registered.
Not sure how it will work next year when less able to claim due to increased calving index
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- Highland
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Everypenny counts but £5 dose not go far nower days ….
thankyou I couldnt get my head around what this waiting 11 months was about
I reckon an obvious risk of fixating on certain factors, given that we are not omniscient, is that ‘you don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone’. Spotting problems is easy, spotting things that aren’t (but potentially could be) problems is much harder.
Genetics are obviously incredibly complex, and given that modern day thinking tells us that diversity in nature is a good thing, it's more than a little dodgy jumping headlong into chasing specific traits.
If you focus on a certain trait, and sell your genetics to a different farm in a different area and given the completely different environment theres a chance the stock don’t perform the same at all, a less diverse gene pool has surely got to be less adaptable.
livestock 1
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That wasn’t directed at decko
Depopulation agenda. You are the carbon they are trying to reduce.
sheepwise
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- Location
- SW Scotland
Really can't understand all the negativity towards the new scheme. As I said before if you had seen some of the suggestions that were being flouted by government officials then I think we have got off lightly. The fact is we have retained the budget and barring exceptional circumstances most herds should be able to at least maintain their present payment with very little alteration to their system and crucially with no additional paperwork.
For those using AI, there is scope to inseminate a cow up to 80 days after calving and still have two cycles to a bull to remain within a 410 day CI.
We have both backend and spring calving groups here and I must admit I do let the odd first calver slip round 6 months to the next group if I feel there is a genuine reason. I will certainly have to reconsider that policy going forward but i would guess provided that number is less than 5% of the herd, we will be no worse off as I'm almost certain individual calf payments will be at least 5% higher. There will be very few of our cows calving within their own groups which will exceed 410 days.
For those using AI, there is scope to inseminate a cow up to 80 days after calving and still have two cycles to a bull to remain within a 410 day CI.
We have both backend and spring calving groups here and I must admit I do let the odd first calver slip round 6 months to the next group if I feel there is a genuine reason. I will certainly have to reconsider that policy going forward but i would guess provided that number is less than 5% of the herd, we will be no worse off as I'm almost certain individual calf payments will be at least 5% higher. There will be very few of our cows calving within their own groups which will exceed 410 days.
A nice lady who keeps a few top "quality " cows really serious- does DIY AI etc , told us how pleased she was with a huge bull calf that came out of the side door and how well the cow had perfectly healed and would breed again , they didnt even attempt to calve it she said - I asked what the aim was with these cows ,she said "to produce stock bulls to sell " I smiled sweetly and let it go .
But no wonder the industry has problems .
wasnt directed at anyone just didnt understand what waiting 11 months was about
livestock 1
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Some people are getting excited about the 410 days but are willing to hold the bull off to fit in with their ideal something I could never afford to do
Supposed to be paid today, I’m actually surprised it’s not up more. 4626 less calves registered in the north east last year.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Thats alot of beef ! Could be around 1700 tons ..
That’s like three big Friday’s in Thainstone gone.
hoyboy
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Ah ok. You're system sounds very stabiliser like. We're doing the same thing here. Take no passengers
- Location
- Galloway
Mine in the bank yesterday