Well I’m just glad folks are buying this new kit so in 20 years time it can filter down to peasants like me
The only sprayer the progressive farmer should consider now is a trailed Horsch, and really it should be pulled with a Fendt.
I have gleaned this from social media.
Blimey, a new sp must be serious coin! 724 will be iro £140k? Horsch 5000/36 I'd guess will bray a hole in another hundred grand. Is a comparable sized sp really a third of a million quid?
self prop was 260k for same spec as our 100k trailed
the traction is already here and drills, ferts, carts and cultivates so our extra cost is only the increase in R&M created by extra hours - most cereal farms have a tractor avaible, its takes less than 1 min to pit on or droop off so the idea ties out a tractor full time is a bit of a myth IMO
Interesting.
What element makes the difference? Steering? Suspension? Tech?
Driver comfort has always been better in a decent tractor than a hydro sp, but they still bend in the middle, a key thing that doesn't bother me one not,but some folk seem to struggle with.
Genuinely curious, not having a pop.
I know. I was saying that 10yrs ago when Bateman's were the latest must have. A vario tractor on a decent trailed sprayer with a steering axle takes some beating.
There's a 300hp tractor locally on a 3t mounted fert spinner. Runs at 24m & does 30kph. How he gets turned beats me. When does a trailed spreader make more sense?
Well I’m just glad folks are buying this new kit so in 20 years time it can filter down to peasants like me
Mostly the tech I guess, the boom control And suspension is exceptional on these, others will catch up but right now its hard to suggest its not class leading
It‘s very quick to drop on and off (like as quick as dropping off grain trailer so in no way ties up a tractor). The rest of the tech is very self prop like filling etc and the steering connected to tractor GPS makes it a lot easier than some I have used in the past, ISO seems very integrated with the tractor so no additional boxes or joysticks etc, for a big machine (36/6000) in our case it just doesn’t feel big. Combined with a vario transmission like the Fendt has it really is much more like a self prop than any trailed I have used in the past with gears, pto’s poor suspension etc
All comes at a a price of course but given the saving vs the same spec Horsch self prop its really a bit of a no brainier financially
The tech is also a concern - ie without it it just doesn’t work !
Christ he’s going 13 mph let’s hope he don’t hit a big low spot, I like the way he drives behind it and gets a fullWhat's this Horsch thing?
Surely it's an Amazone for a Fendt?
Trailed would be fine for us 75% of the time. Its the other 25% is the issue. I don't think we would have got any of our pre ems done last autumn if we had a trailed sprayer. The other problem is field obstacles, we have over 50, how easy is it to go round a pole with a trailed?
I've had a hydraulic pump, steering suspended sprayer axle, with a teejet 844 controller on a suspended vario tractor since 2006. Tried a hydro sp for a year in 2015. Not for me thank you.
Simplicity is good. Valves with handles instead of electric motors. Decent sized induction bowl. 844E controller is proven simple reliable tech.
It has air shut off and 10section auto shut off, but I can put it on pretty much any tractor just with the 844 and drive it manually with 4 sections should I need to. It needs a decent oil supply, but that's been provided by even 20yo tractors in the past, so not a drama.
Much of the fancier modern tech is a concern to the 5-10yo sprayer buyer. Will this affect residual values going forward?
Its nothing to do with tractor availability. If I was to go to a tractor powered solution I would go mounted. Our SP is 4WS and turns tighter than any tractor. Dragging a trailed sprayer in marginal conditions on heavy sloping clay would make an even bigger mess than we can make with a 7 tonne SP. You are obviously more skilled than we would be at reversing up to field obstacles.Why? Have insufficient tractors?
My trailed sprayer sits on an older backup tractor during taty planting and harvesting seasons. This also maximises hours on the newer tractors and keeps pressure off the older ones, makes pre ems happen, yet allows me a good modern tractor for the main of the spraying season.
Re poles etc - it's no worse than an sp (why should it be?) My 4000/24 trailed has a 30% smaller turning circle than the same capacity sp we had before it.
But I don’t, I still want a SP!
That’s been said about every generation of machine since tractors took over from horses!As long as you are handy with a laptop that is ! The downside of this clever modern kit is you really cant fix it with spanner’s any longer !
I remember when we bought our first 3000 series massey, all the neighbours said we were mad and the electronics would finish us off. That tractor left with 10k and had never given any electronic trouble. The engine blew up at 4500hrs though. New tech I would avoid, high tech I wouldn't.That’s been said about every generation of machine since tractors took over from horses!
I find by the time stuff gets to double digit age there is plenty experience out there on what goes wrong and how to fix it.
anything not double digit age is usually out of my price range so solves all my problems[emoji23]
Great final sentence.I remember when we bought our first 3000 series massey, all the neighbours said we were mad and the electronics would finish us off. That tractor left with 10k and had never given any electronic trouble. The engine blew up at 4500hrs though. New tech I would avoid, high tech I wouldn't.