Self sufficiency

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Lettuce no problem.
Mrs asked a neighbour to add some celery to her basket for us.
This was replaced by an iceberg lettuce.
They have decided to go halves on the lettuce.
Prawn cocktails secured.

(Is iceberg lettuce any good in a stew?).
 
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delilah

Member
Any situation like this that raises the profile of farmers and food security should be good news for British agriculture.

Yes it should be, but it wont be.
The issue for UK farmers isn't self sufficiency, it is farmgate prices.
Self sufficiency could increase across a range of basic farm produce, and the farmgate price wouldn't rise. Because it isn't so much imports that keep the price down but two, related, issues:
a) The threat of imports.
b) The lack of power in the marketplace.
 

Wolds Beef

Member
Right now is the time for the NFU(and I know what people think)to invite the supermarkets to the table. @Guy Smith (please come out of retirement!) Strike while the iron is hot and tell them to up there purchase price to growers and packers in this country. @Lowland1 Can't you, the Read boys and Grant's put some pressure on the right people? Also it is time for the farming industry to help its own by supporting the local farm shop greengrocer and the butcher. SHOP LOCAL !!!
WB
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Right now is the time for the NFU(and I know what people think)to invite the supermarkets to the table. @Guy Smith (please come out of retirement!) Strike while the iron is hot and tell them to up there purchase price to growers and packers in this country. @Lowland1 Can't you, the Read boys and Grant's put some pressure on the right people? Also it is time for the farming industry to help its own by supporting the local farm shop greengrocer and the butcher. SHOP LOCAL !!!
WB
It really is all the fault of the Supermarkets the more they compete the tougher it gets for everyone home and away. Anyone thinking that the competition between Aldi and Lidl and Tesco et al is a good thing is very wrong all it does is drive farmgate prices down. In my experience UK produce always gets first choice and best price from the Supermarkets the problem is Supermarkets are not interested in seasonality as that means changing shelves and organising promotions etc what they want is continuity. So if you grow Tenderstem Broccoli in the UK and you don’t want to lose out you get yourself a farm in Spain or Portugal and continue to supply as long as you can. I would presume the Spanish red tractor Carrots would be some large UK grower extending his season and avoiding strawing costs. For us we are struggling this year because we are competing with substandard but cheaper beans from Morocco and Egypt which will come by road through Europe. All the present problems will do is make the Supermarkets look at more resilient supply chains such as direct boat freight from Spain etc to UK cutting out road haulage. Also as I’ve stated lots of the big growers such as Gs, Barfoots and Staples have their own farms overseas and as such won’t be too keen for people to step on their toes by growing more in the UK plus you have the Elephant in the room which is generally people don’t eat as much traditional fruit and vegetables as they did and if they did who is going to pick it.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
It really is all the fault of the Supermarkets the more they compete the tougher it gets for everyone home and away. Anyone thinking that the competition between Aldi and Lidl and Tesco et al is a good thing is very wrong all it does is drive farmgate prices down. In my experience UK produce always gets first choice and best price from the Supermarkets the problem is Supermarkets are not interested in seasonality as that means changing shelves and organising promotions etc what they want is continuity. So if you grow Tenderstem Broccoli in the UK and you don’t want to lose out you get yourself a farm in Spain or Portugal and continue to supply as long as you can. I would presume the Spanish red tractor Carrots would be some large UK grower extending his season and avoiding strawing costs. For us we are struggling this year because we are competing with substandard but cheaper beans from Morocco and Egypt which will come by road through Europe. All the present problems will do is make the Supermarkets look at more resilient supply chains such as direct boat freight from Spain etc to UK cutting out road haulage. Also as I’ve stated lots of the big growers such as Gs, Barfoots and Staples have their own farms overseas and as such won’t be too keen for people to step on their toes by growing more in the UK plus you have the Elephant in the room which is generally people don’t eat as much traditional fruit and vegetables as they did and if they did who is going to pick it.

Well written. I did think about you last Friday evening when I looked at the beans in ASDA Grantham and saw source Egypt. Thought cheaper.

Lidl and Aldi are hailed on these pages as supporting UK fresh produce. Which they do. But there overall business model which mirrors a 1970s Fine fare operation - less choice and put pallets, literally on the aisle, while being frightfully efficient allowing low sale price has blown a complete hole underwater of the established big five (JS/TESCO/ASDA/Morries/Waitrose) who have an historic relatively expensive shop and distribution estate and operation. And thus those businesses are competing on price with these leaner new entrants - and farmers paying for this. Hey hol.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Correct. Surely to god in this modern world we can be a bit more self sufficient. Trouble is the population has been conditioned into expecting produce all year round in spite of the climate.
and Sainsbury's saying there could be a shortage of lettuce, it is the middle of winter, Lettuce is a summer salad, of course there should be a shortage now, it's December, time to eat potatoes, parsnips and meat!
 

yin ewe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
and Sainsbury's saying there could be a shortage of lettuce, it is the middle of winter, Lettuce is a summer salad, of course there should be a shortage now, it's December, time to eat potatoes, parsnips and meat!

I get shouted at when I tell Mrs yin we have 2 options in our menu, soup season in winter, potato and leek is my favourite and salad season in summer which hopefully contains as little lettuce as possible.
 
Remember a couple of years ago there was a big panic of lettuce shortages due to snow in Southern Spain? Seems that nothing has been learnt. From what I have heard recently, some of the supermarket supply chains seem crazy, with stuff going back and forwards.
 

bluebell

Member
thats what woke up agriculture when britian saw war was coming, suddenly food became important, and more important to growers and farmers it suddenly became profitable to grow it ? A book and TV documentary made in the 1980s called 70 summers illustrates that point, before the war in the 1930s his bank called his loan in, the milk company he was supplying cut the price, so he had to retail it to survive, then when war was coming the bank manager was all friends ?
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Well written. I did think about you last Friday evening when I looked at the beans in ASDA Grantham and saw source Egypt. Thought cheaper.

Lidl and Aldi are hailed on these pages as supporting UK fresh produce. Which they do. But there overall business model which mirrors a 1970s Fine fare operation - less choice and put pallets, literally on the aisle, while being frightfully efficient allowing low sale price has blown a complete hole underwater of the established big five (JS/TESCO/ASDA/Morries/Waitrose) who have an historic relatively expensive shop and distribution estate and operation. And thus those businesses are competing on price with these leaner new entrants - and farmers paying for this. Hey hol.
Grantham and FineFare next you’ll be remembering Key Markets
 

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