Smart potato cultivation system

alomy75

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why not I guess ? knowlage has a value and many farmers already pay agents and consultants for it yet some of the best knowledge comes from experience of other farmers

We are currently trialing a forum addon that would allow members to post “pay per view” video content or live events/ webinars , run training courses online with tracking viewers to prove a course is completed etc

all sorts of possibilities like CPD points for NROSO etc without having to leave the farm to agronomy or planning / diversification advice or financial/ system change consultancy

Would be interesting to hear feedback on the idea ? does demand exist ?
I already have to pay either directly or indirectly for basis points nowadays so if the price was right I’d be happy to do so on here. Agronomy update days usually £80 for 12 points as a guide but of course you get some good info too…and usually a lunch. And a free pen.
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
I take it you are mostly on stone free soil? Our stoney/gravely soil means it all has to be destoned to full depth or its damaged potatoes at harvest and possibly a bent share on the harvester.😭

Drop me a DM if you like

Spud, no I was only joking, I could not care less what others think about what I write on TFF but if they find a snippet of useful info than its been worth it.

Iben comment above re destoning is one of the benefits I have found with no till as the new potato tubers lie on top of the ground but below the mulch.

Anyway potato growing starts with a winter green manure. Sprayed off at approx end of feb then burnt off prior to planting approx end March. Beds marked out with 2 row ridger which become tramlines the 1/2 cut IBC's placed between the tramlines. 5 spuds per IBC placed on surface then when full row completed IBC filled 4 inch deep with hay using a west bale bedder and levelled out. Cover with shade netting and leave to grow. Harvest as soon as skin set by removing net and IBC's then harvest as normal.

Problems I use to have using a traditional "fergie" method of cultivation and harvest.
Slugs, Crows. Blight, Rotting of Tubers, Stunted growth due to wind. Compaction, All of which has been resolved with the 4 inch hay mulch and IBC protection. Although I think the propane burn helps with the slug population.
 
My point re CC's is one of soil health & organic matter. This has reduced nematicides by 70%+, and bedtilling by nearly 80%. Keeping the physical OM in the row has improved roe structure and saleable yield considerably, by reducing capping cracking and slumping, allowing better infiltration but yet holding water better.
We usually top the CC's end of Feb or thereabouts to let them breakdown a bit so go through the destoner instead of into the trench.
In your situation a tiller would chop a cc mix to a more destoner friendly level than a power harrow would.
Good to read the experiments & methods of others - there is always a better way!
Our first pass is a Simba TL cultivator
Is that for free living nematodes? What cover crop mix do you use? I use quite a bit of oilseed radish but as we don't have winter barley in the rotation they are established a bit later than ideal so maybe dont get as much growth as I would like.
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
Is that for free living nematodes? What cover crop mix do you use? I use quite a bit of oilseed radish but as we don't have winter barley in the rotation they are established a bit later than ideal so maybe dont get as much growth as I would like.
PCN was the focus but yes FLN too. The key I think is avoiding other host weeds in stubbles, and keeping live roots in the ground to bolster the good microbes.
A common mix here is tame oats, defender oil radish & phacelia, ideally with some lupins, beans, peas or vetch as well.
The majority of mine are after wheat, which this far north usually means early September sowing time for cc's
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
How do envisage it working Clive? How would viewers know what they were about to purchase?
Are you thinking pay per 'article' view, or a YouTube style situation whereby revenue is earned from advertisers rather than viewers?
Personally I'm not averse to paying for advise, but a forum is more about opinion & chat.
I guess what I'm saying is it'd need to be good value or would soon die a death

it would be up to whoever was offering the training or advice to explain what was on offer and set their price - just as in the none digital world it’s then up to the individual to decide if that represents value not

if we were told anyone was using the service unethically or ripping off anyone we would of course ban them from using it again and refund unhappy users i guess

the way what we are testing is built it wouldn’t have to always be pay per view - if a contributor wanted to they could allow free access to their content or maybe profit from sponsorship or ad revenue like they do on you-tube ?

we may not bother with it, as i say its just something myself and @Chris F are playing with and considering adding to TFF at the moment
 
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chester

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Location
Somerset
Aye , just Get crawler with agriweld 11 leg deep tine with ridgers on back and straight into light medium land after sheep been on , Sub soiler headlands , might bed till heavyer bits of filed even if means backing down baulks just to do odd little bits has to have separator through it for all the flint for salads
Sounds an efficient system. How deep are you going with the 11 legs?
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
it would be up to whoever was offering the training or advice to explain what was on offer and set their price - just as in the none digital world it’s then up to the individual to decide if that represents value not

if we were told anyone was using the service unethically or ripping off anyone we would of course ban them from using it again and refund unhappy users i guess

the way what we are testing is built it wouldn’t have to always be pay per view - if a contributor wanted to they could allow free access to their content or maybe profit from sponsorship or ad revenue like they do on you-tube ?

we may not bother with it, as i say its just something myself and @Chris F are playing with and considering adding to TFF at the moment
I can see a kind of 'advisor directory' being a useful resource, for sure.
 

chester

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Location
Somerset
I take it you are mostly on stone free soil? Our stoney/gravely soil means it all has to be destoned to full depth or its damaged potatoes at harvest and possibly a bent share on the harvester.😭
No we are not on stone free ground, we have patches of sandstone some of which is rugby ball size. We destone to full depth ie we want 275mm of separated soil to plant into. So long as we have 75mm of destoned soil under the seed tuber we don’t catch anything with the share. If we go too deep we fill the trench . The bedformer we use leaves a line about 150mm up from the bottom of the trench. We use this as a target so we get consistent wheelings iyswim. We take the pick up hitch off the destoning tractor so it doesn’t bull doze soil back into the wheelings. We can’t afford to compromise as this we be a backward step. So we achieve this by making incremental changes and checking that we are still achieving our parameters.
 

Devon James

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Location
Devon
Perhaps an option here
 

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Would you like to :
Save fuel.

Reduce the number of cultivation passes.

Reduce your reliance on weather.

Make harvesting easier.

Increase planting rate.

Make management easier.

We are achieving this on our own fields and I would like share it but would like to get some monetary reward from doing so. My proposal would be to set up a subscription service with advice and support given to help members achieve this. I would be grateful of your thoughts.

Not sure why anybody needs to pay for this info. 20 years ago we min tilled potates in. Single cultivation pass, ridge, destoner with a planter on top of it. 3 passes job done.
 

chester

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Location
Somerset
If this is so simple and obvious why does it appear so many people seem to do multiple passes with various cultivators at depths of 250-300mm? May be I’m wrong about this, but it appears to me the potato industry is working ground more intensively and deeper, with bigger and bigger tractors , and we wonder why the rivers get clogged up with silt and we need 200hp to pull a 5 furrow plough.
 
If this is so simple and obvious why does it appear so many people seem to do multiple passes with various cultivators at depths of 250-300mm? May be I’m wrong about this, but it appears to me the potato industry is working ground more intensively and deeper, with bigger and bigger tractors , and we wonder why the rivers get clogged up with silt and we need 200hp to pull a 5 furrow plough.

Habit and not wanting to get it wrong
 

alomy75

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If this is so simple and obvious why does it appear so many people seem to do multiple passes with various cultivators at depths of 250-300mm? May be I’m wrong about this, but it appears to me the potato industry is working ground more intensively and deeper, with bigger and bigger tractors , and we wonder why the rivers get clogged up with silt and we need 200hp to pull a 5 furrow plough.
Cos that’s the way they’ve allllllllllllways done it!
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
If this is so simple and obvious why does it appear so many people seem to do multiple passes with various cultivators at depths of 250-300mm? May be I’m wrong about this, but it appears to me the potato industry is working ground more intensively and deeper, with bigger and bigger tractors , and we wonder why the rivers get clogged up with silt and we need 200hp to pull a 5 furrow plough.
As I said it does not have to be like this but the habit is hard to break. Forgot to say its actually a double crop as the spuds are harvested earlier it allows a crop of Leeks to be planted on the same ground for harvest Dec through to March. 36 per IBC container.
 

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