Arranging to winter cows in a neighbours shed from Nov/Dec this year. My own cattle and I'll do all the work involved. He's not looking for any rent for the shed (old barn type things) just wants all the muck. He'll provide the straw as it's available on site with little or no haulage, but in a normal agreement should i cover his costs to bale it, or would that normally be his cost too? All very amicable, just want to do the right thing by him, but obviously not pay for anything needlessly.
Straw for muck arrangements
- Thread starter Doddsy
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Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
We bale straw, cart it home, load and cart muck back. He spreads it
- Location
- Wiltshire
I have a hay for muck deal with a friend. Our policy is we are not going to fall out over a load of sh1t. He gets muck and I get hay it seems to work in the end.
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I would want him to fetch the muck and i would load it ,for it to be a fair swap imo.
Cheers, sounds like you look after him well. Whatever works best for you both though ?
Chae1
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
He never asked for anything extra when prices were sky high in 2018. We are in a predominantly livestock area, his fields are only 3 miles along the road. Carted straw 50 miles home in 2018.
The fact you're dealing with each other year after year says it all.
Any idea of a rough ratio for this. Tons of straw going and dung back ?
We used to swap straw for dung with a local . He would bale 110 4x4.5 rounds . Counting grain trailers back , but never over a weigh bridge we got 200 tons , never super heaped up . Never felt reason to weigh them as it was a straight swap as he only got straw from us and we got all dung back .
He has since found straw closer , which suited me as I used to put 3 tractors and trailers on for mucking out , plus the spreading so it worked out quite expensive .
Had someone else asking to bale straw and he'd bring dung back
- Location
- East Sussex
I think it's probably best to sell it each way to be fair. Try testing the straw for nutrients on the way in and multiply by weight. Do the same for the muck and see where the balance of payment should be.
if you want the straw you pay for it, bale it and move it.
if he wants the muck he can come get it, I would load them most likely though.
if you want the straw you pay for it, bale it and move it.
if he wants the muck he can come get it, I would load them most likely though.
Chae1
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
- Location
- North of Perth
Done straw for muck for years.just lost 200 acre as the carrot lads have offered stupid amount of money for it an I can't compete.
Was slightly annoyed as I did everghing, hardly got much help from him when I did I even offered to put diesel in his tractors at end of the day.
In my opinion. He's made a mistake his ground is hungry but what would I know.
Was slightly annoyed as I did everghing, hardly got much help from him when I did I even offered to put diesel in his tractors at end of the day.
In my opinion. He's made a mistake his ground is hungry but what would I know.
- Location
- British Isles
did it last autumn supplied 30t straw and got 290 tonne dung back.
- Location
- nottingham
We bale cart muck out heap up and spread , it is all in block around the cattle buildings we rent off landowner.
I reakon costing our time on it and paying contractor to spread comes to £21/t , which my mates in Cornwall would do cartwheels for !!
I reakon costing our time on it and paying contractor to spread comes to £21/t , which my mates in Cornwall would do cartwheels for !!
When you say supplied, did you bale/cart the straw Hard Graft?
- Location
- British Isles
yes I cover the baleing and dung spreading And put a tractor on carting but We baled all the straw right behind the We baled all the straw right behind the combine even if it is not fit. As they used it all straight away And I get it back for my winter crops so. there is a big benefit both ways
i work Very closely with them as they take all my beef sheds. but they pay £6 for a 5ft round bale for the straw that is used in my yard plus shed cleaning out.
i work Very closely with them as they take all my beef sheds. but they pay £6 for a 5ft round bale for the straw that is used in my yard plus shed cleaning out.
I'd rather have a deal where the price of straw doesn't come into it , cheap or dear just xxx bales go and xxx ton comes back .
Sounds about the same as us as I used to reckon his 110 bales would be 20ton and 200 "grain trailer sized" tons back
Arceye
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- Location
- South Norfolk
We weigh in and out, it's 1 ton straw which makes 4 tons of fresh muck. Then there comes the storage over time and the muck over winter can halve in weight so I reckon about 1 to 3 is a good average since there is some loss of nutrients but the "experts" say the muck becomes more concentrated.
I like to haul in the straw and haul the muck back to the grower so long as it's local and not miles away.
The current thread on talking up straw prices makes the growers see pound signs and want more money for the straw, straw for muck involves no money and hopefully we can both make a living!
I like to haul in the straw and haul the muck back to the grower so long as it's local and not miles away.
The current thread on talking up straw prices makes the growers see pound signs and want more money for the straw, straw for muck involves no money and hopefully we can both make a living!
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