Summer grazing

[SheepTerrier]

Looking for idea on rent for summer grazing as land lord wants to put up the rent this year. It is all old permanent pasture with no fertilizer applied 3 out of the 4 fields need fencing and now need water as they have had leaks in the yard and won't be renewing pipes to the field water troughs.
Have rung a couple of local land agents who haven't bothered to ring me back so looking for a rough idea of rent as we haven't had to look for grass for a few year

 

[Derrick Hughes]

What you been paying

 

[HarryB97]

Hard to justify a rent increase when the infrastructure is so poor. Either they up the rent and re fence etc or give you a long term agreement so you feel comfortable investing in it.

 

[Werzle]

Looking for idea on rent for summer grazing as land lord wants to put up the rent this year. It is all old permanent pasture with no fertilizer applied 3 out of the 4 fields need fencing and now need water as they have had leaks in the yard and won't be renewing pipes to the field water troughs.
Have rung a couple of local land agents who haven't bothered to ring me back so looking for a rough idea of rent as we haven't had to look for grass for a few year

Not worth sod all but its probably worth something to you

 

[SheepTerrier]

What you been paying

Works out @ £53 an acre and that was water to all fields and mains fencers on all fields but was fenced for cattle so we had to fence for sheep. But now only one mains fencer works so on our units. They want to increase by £10/ ac

 

[SheepTerrier]

Not worth sod all but its probably worth something to you

It is handy as not far from the yard which is the best bit as finding grazing near us is difficult

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

It is handy as not far from the yard which is the best bit as finding grazing near us is difficult

Much competition locally for it?

 

[Werzle]

It is handy as not far from the yard which is the best bit as finding grazing near us is difficult

Thats the thing, if you gave it up and tried to take well fenced, watered and ferted ground you could be on £150/ac. Big block locally nobody would even bid for a few years ago, awful ppasture , no water and fences all to shite. Dairy boy took it for £150/ac because he needed the acres for his manure sums

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Works out @ £53 an acre and that was water to all fields and mains fencers on all fields but was fenced for cattle so we had to fence for sheep. But now only one mains fencer works so on our units. They want to increase by £10/ ac

You would struggle to get anything around here fir less than £100 , to quote the old man, bite his hand off before somone else does

 

[SheepTerrier]

You would struggle to get anything around here fir less than £100 , to quote the old man, bite his hand off before somone else does

Are you in a livestock area? It's mainly arable round us so not a huge amount of grass but also not a lot of livestock either. I know at the end of the day it's what is worth to us but didn't know what the going rate is these days as there are no summer grazing auctions these days.

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

You would struggle to get anything around here fir less than £100 , to quote the old man, bite his hand off before somone else does

You are going to grow a lot more grass in your area than Lincs.

 

[SheepTerrier]

Thats the thing, if you gave it up and tried to take well fenced, watered and ferted ground you could be on £150/ac. Big block locally nobody would even bid for a few years ago, awful ppasture , no water and fences all to shite. Dairy boy took it for £150/ac because he needed the acres for his manure sums

It's 20 ac in total but all 4 fields do run up to one another so not a massive area but to find another 20 ac close by in a block is basically impossible round here as they are all let or in 2 to 5 ac fields

 

[SheepTerrier]

You are going to grow a lot more grass in your area than Lincs.

Yes we have been very dry for 3 out of the last 4 years and everything is burned up by mid July if not before

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Are you in a livestock area? It's mainly arable round us so not a huge amount of grass but also not a lot of livestock either. I know at the end of the day it's what is worth to us but didn't know what the going rate is these days as there are no summer grazing auctions these days.

Yes ,going rate here is £120 to £200

 

[Agrivator]

I would accept the £10/acre increase, but with a concerted effort to get him to mend the water supply.

 

[ringi]

Thats the thing, if you gave it up and tried to take well fenced, watered and ferted ground you could be on £150/ac. Big block locally nobody would even bid for a few years ago, awful ppasture , no water and fences all to shite. Dairy boy took it for £150/ac because he needed the acres for his manure sums

Provided it's in a long term contact makes total sense as the manure will improve it.

 

[puppet]

I wouldn't give it up as proximity is a big thing. We rent ground across a main road and own more 8 miles away. First one takes 5 minutes and 3 people to walk cattle or sheep over, the other takes all day to shift them.
Can you ask or offer if an overground pipe can be run to a trough of it dries up?

 

[som farmer]

this was always the bad side of grass keep, everyone raped it, no idea if you would have it next year.

agents talked the price up every year, as quality decreased every year. Then the seller wonders why it gets 'hard' to sell, at lower prices,
land agent then 'suggests' a longer term let, might be better.
then some poor bugger gets it right again, and land agent advises, high rent, or out to tender/auction.

only interested in their commission !

 

[Derrick Hughes]

On the other side ,I spend a lot on fencing ,liming resseeding , cut the hedges ,just spent £560 on mole trapping, but I would never put any of mine through an agent

 

[Rich_ard]

Take it or leave it. Its good if you have options. Otherwise you have to pay up and crack on.