This is the rubbish they teach in college today rather than agriculture and science

[Tarw Coch]

as a lecturer told me, you learn more from your dad, but, importantly, you learn how to get on with people, and have a good time.

Could have learned that in young farmers

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Not joking I'm afraid. Even teachers I know say it. UK education is becoming a joke, no life subjects taught. Bits of paper mean nothing to me. Total bullsh!t. Skills should be taught on the job. Not a classroom.

I remember a lecturer in the education department in Wolverhampton Poly, saying to us (we were training to be FE lecturers), you are all here in spite of your previous education, not because of it!

 

[Courier]

I remember a lecturer in the education department in Wolverhampton Poly, saying to us (we were training to be FE lecturers), you are all here in spite of your previous education, not because of it!

Yep, you go to school to learn “how to learn”
Your education doesn’t start until your first pay packet …

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The theory of how things work and how to work things out can be terribly involved and technical for subjects that really matter. Here is where higher education should excel. Unfortunately instead of encouraging debate and real research, too many higher education institutions today stifle debate and independent thought, instead they teach ‘diversity’ ‘inclusivity’ ‘gender fluidity’ ‘climate disaster’ ‘disruption’ and other such absolute garbage within both technical, scientific and practical courses as well as the time-waster courses. Worldwide higher education has been infiltrated and taken over by leftwing loonies who consider themselves to be ‘intellectuals’ but are actually extreme elitists who think they are better than practical thinkers and ordinary workers. People who have their priorities all wrong and who will lead us and our decedents only into poverty and hardship.

We only have to look at the demonisation of fat and the ideas of putting sugar and carbs as the basis of food as an example of this, and the subsequent rise in heart attacks/metabolic disorders and diabetes. All due to discouraging debate and group think.

 

[yin ewe]

Why should primary, middle and high school teachers need to know their subject to degree level - What they need is the ability to teach and empathise with how their students assimilate at the level they are at…Two or three years in the general jobs market could make them develop far more rounded personalities instead of locking themselves away in ivory towers.

I'd argue that if you're going to teach a subject to 'a' level you need to know that subject very well yourself.

 

[som farmer]

Could have learned that in young farmers

nothing like adding to your skills, further education is a plus, only problem, by increasing capacity, cost more.

 

[Nearly]

Further Education, like most things is now a business. It was about bums on seats, it's now about tuition fees from wherever in the world they download the recorded lectures and email assignments back from.

Some people need FE, some want it, some have no idea what they want to do but all of their friends are on a 3 year pee up so they apply too. (me included)

 

[4R Man]

Is it a coincidence on first reading I read Flatulance, instead of Rawlance?
All a load of hot air!!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Further Education, like most things is now a business. It was about bums on seats, it's now about tuition fees from wherever in the world they download the recorded lectures and email assignments back from.

Some people need FE, some want it, some have no idea what they want to do but all of their friends are on a 3 year pee up so they apply too. (me included)

I know a professor in a university, and she is complaining about the quality of the students and how degrees are now designed just to improve the income of the institutions (and the pressures not to fail students because of the loss of income for the institution).

 

[Cowabunga]

One wonders whether there is even a slight chance of failing this course, called ‘Sustainable Futures’? Yes, according to the article, it is plural, so they could mean ‘in the multiverse'.

 

[Turnip]

My first degree course in the Netherlands was paid for how many people actually graduated. They made sure that the majority of people left in the first 6 months, it was a rough time and we had 40 - 50% drop out rate in that period. After that it was pretty smooth sailing and almost everyone got to the end. They didn't want to invest years of education into people who couldn't finish the degree.

 

[Turnip]

One wonders whether there is even a slight chance of failing this course, called ‘Sustainable Futures’? Yes, according to the article, it is plural, so they could mean ‘in the multiverse'.

Technically it is correct in our world as the future isn't set and can pan out in multiple ways, only one will happen but there is potential for different version of the future. There is only one past as that has happened and time is linear (as we understand it now) but the future can be altered by choosing different options, hence futures.

 

[Cowabunga]

My first degree course in the Netherlands was paid for how many people actually graduated. They made sure that the majority of people left in the first 6 months, it was a rough time and we had 40 - 50% drop out rate in that period. After that it was pretty smooth sailing and almost everyone got to the end. They didn't want to invest years of education into people who couldn't finish the degree.

Not many people fail these silly courses. A few might defer success though

 

[Cowabunga]

Technically it is correct in our world as the future isn't set and can pan out in multiple ways, only one will happen but there is potential for different version of the future. There is only one past as that has happened and time is linear (as we understand it now) but the future can be altered by choosing different options, hence futures.

While there may be many possible future scenarios, in the world we live in there will remain only one actual future. If however you delve into quantum physics, there may be many or even infinite futures and scenarios played out, but I doubt that this lot will embrace those rather speculative theories.
In the here and now, there is only one future but it is largely unknown what it will be within certain parameters. To call them different futures is misleading. There are different paths the future [singular] can take, hence only one present that we are aware of and one past. [Even though history tends to be revised to suit the times and the narrator]

 

[yoki]

I know a professor in a university, and she is complaining about the quality of the students and how degrees are now designed just to improve the income of the institutions (and the pressures not to fail students because of the loss of income for the institution).

The other thing we noticed with both our two was the amount of 'sell' given to study even beyond degree level.

"Would you not consider staying on and doing a Masters?", "if you had a Masters it would lead nicely in to a doctorate", etc, etc.

Sometimes it seemed very much like the institutions were more interested in their own interests than the students.

On top of which, this was in what would be broadly termed as "land based studies" which are actually considerably more grounded (excuse the pun) than a lot of the arty farty head in the clouds stuff.

 

[SilliamWhale]

The two course leaders in this are both Professors in Creative Writing...

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I think John Major made a strategic mistake, when he converted all the Poly's into universities. What this country needs in my opinion, is more HND/HNC and Polytechnic trained Degree holders (and more technical/Degree apprenticeships).

And I know, by the way, that the Government "sold" the HND name.

 

[yoki]

I think John Major made a strategic mistake, when he converted all the Poly's into universities. What this country needs in my opinion, is more HND/HNC and Polytechnic trained Degree holders (and more technical/Degree apprenticeships).

And I know, by the way, that the Government "sold" the HND name.

I went through school early and wasn't leaving age after "O" levels so had to go on and do "A" levels.

First year C&G on day release was largely the same as I had already done in "A" level physics and then moved on up from that.

So there's no reason why theory and practice can't be mixed, indeed they should be mixed.

Nowadays it's like never the two shall meet.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

I think John Major made a strategic mistake, when he converted all the Poly's into universities. What this country needs in my opinion, is more HND/HNC and Polytechnic trained Degree holders (and more technical/Degree apprenticeships).

And I know, by the way, that the Government "sold" the HND name.

That's one hell of an understatement. Many a good poly was completely ruined by being turned into a university.

 

[Cowabunga]

Will anyone hold their hands up in defence of this new course for ‘climate disruptors’ at Talgarth? Or do we all agree that its not worth a damn over the fact, as I see it, that its trying to create income for the college from the innocent and gullible who will leave it with a laughable qualification only to be disillusioned, angry and debt ridden when they could have been otherwise gainfully employed as carpenters, plumbers, electricians or other useful trade or career, and well on the way to saving a deposit for their first house, debt free?