Tine drill solutions?

[Andrew K]

PS Anyone fitted a microseeder unit such as Techneat, T15 De limbe etc to a TS Evo?

 

[Badshot]

You wrote the book on using KV,s for DD , Badshot !

Not really, I'm always open to ideas and improvements.

 

[ZXR17]

Which tungsten tips have you found to fit the KV drill @Andrew K ?
I am wanting to do a similar mod.

 

[Andrew K]

Agri France Carbure do 18mm wide points, but £££££ to buy. I am slightly sceptical that the scattergun standard coulter would actually deliver most of the seed down the slot with this coulter,esp if slotting a bit in wetter conditions. Currently looking at a Swedish option.

 

[Vitu]

I have 2 kockerling ultima 4 metre drills for sale if you are interested
1x 2008 ultima 12k
1x 2013 ultima CS 27k

 

[Badshot]

Agri France Carbure do 18mm wide points, but £££££ to buy. I am slightly sceptical that the scattergun standard coulter would actually deliver most of the seed down the slot with this coulter,esp if slotting a bit in wetter conditions. Currently looking at a Swedish option.

I think you'll need a new seed tube too, maybe very basic one which blew it straight down would do?

 

[warksfarmer]

What is the best comprise on a dd tine drill. New anything too expensive. Simba freeflow too much compaction and too old seed box. Horsch co4 not enough tines and fram cracks if transporting loaded. Simtech ideal but 3m too small and 4m unavailable used.
I need to find something else to convert. Or higher disturbance Sprinter.
I know this is over simplified but any other suggestions. Disk drill is a moore.
Tia

Weaving?

 

[martian]

@martian . Local dealer has a K. Ultima fairly new but high acres. Will it dd if needed? Looks good capacity and width.

Drilling osr and berseem mix into chopped s barley atm. Not much straw on top of hill here especially after rain, but making a nice job

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

We are modifying a KV tineseeder drill to be lower disturbance with better DD capability at the moment. also it will be better suited to drill deep crops such as beans. Will be using Tungsten points and some bits found on other machines. Watch this space !

What have you used to convert the TS Andrew

 

[Andrew K]

Hi Alastair,

We used a Vaddy Marathon tungsten tipped 25 type point [ Pan anglia version]with a new type cast Kuhn Megant coulter behind. These coulters were modified with a new tube welded in to match the KV seed tube diameter,and Weaving air bleeds were fitted to the bottom of the seed tube to bridge the gap occupied by the longer original KV coulters, and to help coulters breathe better when drilling deep. So far we have drilled wheat barley borage and a trial area of beans with very good results.

The drill can be returned to standard spec if required, but can see no advantage of doing so.The Vaddy type points are 25mm wide rather than than the standard 40mm so penetration better with less disturbance, better depth potential for drilling beans and hopefully much less faffing around changing points in future!

Generally we have just used the Claydon Terrastar or a Knight press in front on our clays, but it works well on ploughed ground too. I think kinder soils would be DD , able if sufficient tilth present and ground conditions not rock hard.
I estimate it cost around £40 per leg including bolts etc to make a very worthwhile improvement. [IMO]

OK its not a Claydon, Dale or T Sem, but you can pull 6m with 150hp, no sweat.

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

Hi Alastair,

We used a Vaddy Marathon tungsten tipped 25 type point [ Pan anglia version]with a new type cast Kuhn Megant coulter behind. These coulters were modified with a new tube welded in to match the KV seed tube diameter,and Weaving air bleeds were fitted to the bottom of the seed tube to bridge the gap occupied by the longer original KV coulters, and to help coulters breathe better when drilling deep. So far we have drilled wheat barley borage and a trial area of beans with very good results.

The drill can be returned to standard spec if required, but can see no advantage of doing so.The Vaddy type points are 25mm wide rather than than the standard 40mm so penetration better with less disturbance, better depth potential for drilling beans and hopefully much less faffing around changing points in future!

Generally we have just used the Claydon Terrastar or a Knight press in front on our clays, but it works well on ploughed ground too. I think kinder soils would be DD , able if sufficient tilth present and ground conditions not rock hard.
I estimate it cost around £40 per leg including bolts etc to make a very worthwhile improvement. [IMO]

OK its not a Claydon, Dale or T Sem, but you can pull 6m with 150hp, no sweat.

How about reducing the number of coulters and replacing the openers with bourgault speedloc sweeps. I was thinking of say 5 or 7 inch band and then using to hoe between the bands. Say 7 inch sown band and 5 inch space between. Donor would be a ts-evo or Megant. What would a 6130r cope with in terms of coulter numbers. 14 or 15 on 4.8 metres or would it cope with 18 on 6 metres ?

 

[Andrew K]

No idea, but in my view you need to go a little deeper with sweep coulters so not always possible to reduce hp requirement.
I think on BG land you need to reduce band width gap to a minimum or accept that hoeing will be part of the job to control BG emerging into the gap.

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

No idea, but in my view you need to go a little deeper with sweep coulters so not always possible to reduce hp requirement.
I think on BG land you need to reduce band width gap to a minimum or accept that hoeing will be part of the job to control BG emerging into the gap.

No black grass, was thinking outside the box so to speak. I’m going to convert to organic in the near future. So my thoughts were that you could band sow at say 7 inch’s and then hoe between the bands with 5 inch sweeps but also undersow between the cereal rows in the spring. My guess is 4.8 metres would be plenty on 130 hp. Then use a narrower point for beans and then 7 inch sweep for inter row hoeing in the beans. Plan is to have clover bubbling along in the bottom for most of the white straw crops. Graze hard before spring sowing.

 

[Badshot]

No black grass, was thinking outside the box so to speak. I’m going to convert to organic in the near future. So my thoughts were that you could band sow at say 7 inch’s and then hoe between the bands with 5 inch sweeps but also undersow between the cereal rows in the spring. My guess is 4.8 metres would be plenty on 130 hp. Then use a narrower point for beans and then 7 inch sweep for inter row hoeing in the beans. Plan is to have clover bubbling along in the bottom for most of the white straw crops. Graze hard before spring sowing.

Are you cultivating or DD?

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

I’m not sure my 6130 will cope with a claydon due to weight. Would low disturbance subsoil where needed. Sandy loam easy working souls on the whole. If I can negate the need for ploughing that would be good.

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

Are you cultivating or DD?

I am dd where at all possible. Other thoughts were to keep 750 and get a Garford Robocrop

 

[Badshot]

I’m not sure my 6130 will cope with a claydon due to weight. Would low disturbance subsoil where needed. Sandy loam easy working souls on the whole. If I can negate the need for ploughing that would be good.

Reason I ask is I use a KV ts for DD.
I've had to add a leaf to the spring to make it strong enough with standard points. Let alone 5 or 7 inch.

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

If I could use a tines set up to do both sowing and hoeing at wider working width it would mean less capital tied up. Garford have said that the hoe needs to be same width as the drill even with RTK.

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

Reason I ask is I use a KV ts for DD.
I've had to add a leaf to the spring to make it strong enough with standard points. Let alone 5 or 7 inch.

Absolutely agree with that. Have the evo and Megant got heavier duty set up than standard ts?

 

[Shropshire Farmer]

I have seen a few setups using Lemken or vibratilth as donor machines