Trailed vs Self Propelled Sprayer

[ajd132]

Good idea. I tried to be clever when drilling the OSR this year with the Mzuri placing fert and upped the rate round the first two times round the headland. At the moment some of the rape round the edge is much bigger, and so hopefully come harvest it might have evened up nicely.

Will be interesting to see what you find with the trays.

Yeh I did the same with the headlands.
Obviously spreading this stuff to 36m will be Oportunistic and only perfect conditions allow. I do like the idea of one of the Kuhn 36m blow jobs but they are a fghte img amount of money

 

[Brisel]

I did a cost/benefit on a Kuhn AGT 30m pneumatic. I got break even at 4 years old using cheap urea vs using branded AN through a spinning disc on 3100 acres of arable, assuming a purchase price of £100k and scrap value at the end.

 

[Ben M]

Yeh I did the same with the headlands.
Obviously spreading this stuff to 36m will be Oportunistic and only perfect conditions allow. I do like the idea of one of the Kuhn 36m blow jobs but they are a fghte img amount of money

Adam, John Boy does all solid fert over 36m (buys it in bulkers, big saving) then goes around all fields and does the boundaries with liquid. Works well for him.

 

[ajd132]

Adam, John Boy does all solid fert over 36m (buys it in bulkers, big saving) then goes around all fields and does the boundaries with liquid. Works well for him.

One reason we are putting up this new shed is to be able to store bulk urea either to be spread on or melted in the agroco. Some serious savings to be had.

 

[ajd132]

I did a cost/benefit on a Kuhn AGT 30m pneumatic. I got break even at 4 years old using cheap urea vs using branded AN through a spinning disc on 3100 acres of arable, assuming a purchase price of £100k and scrap value at the end.

They have other uses aswell like cover crops into standing crops, avadex etc.
However I have been told they need a fairly serious amount of HP on the front and I can imagine throwing a tantrum trying to use one on small fields of I'm being honest

 

[Ben M]

Have u seen john boys fert trailer with the auger on the tail gate?

 

[dontknowanything]

I wasn't attempting to argue about numbers of sprayers or people in that bit; instead I was saying that by being more on the ball, you can gain a lot of extra spraying time without any change in the logistics / number of sprayers or people. In any case, I am still unconvinced that it would be a better idea for us to ditch one sprayer in favour of a bowser. I don't think that we would double the output of one of the sprayers by using a bowser (I accept that you might, but it's obviously farm specific), whereas by using two sprayers (at a cost which may well be less than the cost of one sprayer plus a bowser) I think that we get closer to doubling our output.

Getting people to do more spraying is going to result in more output, I'm not so stupid I don't understand that. And if you can do it easily, giving you enough spray capacity, then you have no problems.

However, if you want to increase your output for the least amount of money, then improving your logistics will give the most bang for buck. You can keep your current sprayers, get a bowser of some description for not much money, and probably get another 50% capacity. The downside here is that you really need your bowser man to be a spray man, and you may not have a third one of them.

I am not suggesting you sell what you have and retool with one sprayer.

 

[Brisel]

They have other uses aswell like cover crops into standing crops, avadex etc.
However I have been told they need a fairly serious amount of HP on the front and I can imagine throwing a tantrum trying to use one on small fields of I'm being honest

@PRS Farmer has one. This will be his second season with it.

 

[warksfarmer]

We spray at 10km/h now but this is norac at 12-14km/h set at 75cm in soil mode running soft.

 

[dontknowanything]

Went for a speed run today, ran out of field pretty quick

 

[Feldspar]

Went for a speed run today, ran out of field pretty quick

Not knowing much about liquid fertiliser, could you only do that over a growing crop if the conditions were damp to avoid the fine spray scorching the crop (and would that only be a problem with a concentrated N mix)?

 

[dontknowanything]

Not knowing much about liquid fertiliser, could you only do that over a growing crop if the conditions were damp to avoid the fine spray scorching the crop (and would that only be a problem with a concentrated N mix)?

You'd never do that over anything, it's stupid.

You need to keep pressures down to keep the stream intact. In this case it wasn't a problem as the rate was only 125l/ha, I could theoretically have gone 50k+ with pressures of about 2 bar.

Also want booms as low as possible for the same reason. There's a video on Twitter today of someone putting on fert with the booms so low they are just brushing the top of the wheat.

 

[Feldspar]

bit of a residual risk then - their drills can be bought cheap these days !

Chafer are without doubt the lowest risk trailed machine to own even if the Horsch is technically better at the job maybe ?

I will demo both if I add a trailed machine in the future

Did you demo and trailed sprayers in the end? If so, what were your thoughts?

 

[marco]

Just go buy a combine and a Sprayer and be done with it. Your nearly 900posts in.

 

[Clive]

Did you demo and trailed sprayers in the end? If so, what were your thoughts?

not yet, we decided to run the Bateman for another year - I want to try Horsch and Chafer trailed this year though

 

[Feldspar]

Just go buy a combine and a Sprayer and be done with it. Your nearly 900posts in.

Already have got a new combine coming. However, given that we have managed to buy both the wrong sprayer, drill and combine (unequivocally so) in the recent past, and given the cost of those mistakes, I don't think that spending a bit more time deliberating rather than a bit less is a stupid idea. Wrong combine alone will have cost us tens if not a hundred thousand pounds over its lifetime.

 

[Against_the_grain]

Horsch lt unbeatable imo in a trailed machine. All of the spec of the sp machines in a trailed setup. I have spoken to a few people now who are seriously considering the swap back to trailed.

 

[Clive]

Horsch lt unbeatable imo in a trailed machine. All of the spec of the sp machines in a trailed setup. I have spoken to a few people now who are seriously considering the swap back to trailed.

it does look good, I do like the new chafers though as well and they are rock solid re residual value which is usually my primary concern when buying any machine, I like to think my money is in a safe place !

Will be an interesting demo when / if I get something sorted

 

[Brisel]

not yet, we decided to run the Bateman for another year - I want to try Horsch and Chafer trailed this year though

I like the build quality of the Amazone - worth a look? The hinge points have sprung tapered bushes so shouldn't get sloppy until absolutely knackered. There's quite a few around here now, with a dealer 2 miles away from me.

 

[Clive]

I like the build quality of the Amazone - worth a look? The hinge points have sprung tapered bushes so shouldn't get sloppy until absolutely knackered. There's quite a few around here now, with a dealer 2 miles away from me.

I ran a Amazone fastrac demount years ago - the booms were tat IMO, may have got better since but I have a long memory