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Tonym
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Sorry Harry but you are wrong. C1 allows 7.5 tonnes plus a trailer of 750kg giving you 8250 kg.
B1E is the next class and allows a trailer over 750kg but not exceeding a total MAM of 12000kg.
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you mean C1E
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Correct.
I am reading C1E its the 4th from the bottom! It clearly states, in column 12, code 79(=8250 kg)01 code 01 refers to the need for glasses.79 I just looked up on Johns link. If a test has been passed, this will not be on the licence.
And before comments are made re the glasses, here
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Yes, it would be a brace of Fergies, will dig my license out and see what it has on it.
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There isn't a good or bad option In the small lorry or 4x4 and trailer debate.It's all down to personal preference and circumstance.
I like the 4x4 option as it gives me a useful trailer to use all year round if need be,a decent car for running about with, plus I don't have room to store a small lorry.
In an ideal world, I'd have a small curtainsider. Tractor would never be taken out of it once the season starts, and it keeps everything together and away from the dreaded salt in the roads in the winter.
I like the 4x4 option as it gives me a useful trailer to use all year round if need be,a decent car for running about with, plus I don't have room to store a small lorry.
In an ideal world, I'd have a small curtainsider. Tractor would never be taken out of it once the season starts, and it keeps everything together and away from the dreaded salt in the roads in the winter.
Harry is right on this one. There have been several changes over the years but regardless of whether or not your licence has C1+E you will need to have passed a trailer test to drive vehicles between 8250 and 12000kg.
As John so rightly says then entitlememt changed in 1997 and again in 2013.
With regard to driving over 70 then I have C+E which was the old Class 1 entitlement. After 45 you need to renew this entitlement every 5 years, after 65 this is every year with the obligatory medical. It's up to you to apply for the correct entitlement shown on your licence. At 60 I was unsure wether or not to renew my entitlement as it does seem to come as a bit of emasculation, and queried the DVLA. I was told that if you have passed the requisite test then your entitlement is never actually lost unless it is removed from you on medical grounds or due to traffic misdemeanours, in which case they can make you take a test. I took this to mean that even if I let the entitlement drop on my current licence I could re-apply at any time having passed the proper relevant medical.
Driving licence renewal after 45: lorries, minibuses and buses
If you’re 45 or older, you’ll need to renew your licence to drive lorries, minibuses or buses every 5 years. When you reach 65, you’ll need to renew your licence every year.
You’ll get 2 forms from DVLA 56 days before your driving licence runs out:
Order the D2/D4 pack if you don’t receive forms D47P and D4 in the post.
This also applies to C1 drivers who passed their test after 1997. For C1 drivers who passed a test before 1997 the requirement for a medical starts 70 then is required every 3 years.
As John so rightly says then entitlememt changed in 1997 and again in 2013.
With regard to driving over 70 then I have C+E which was the old Class 1 entitlement. After 45 you need to renew this entitlement every 5 years, after 65 this is every year with the obligatory medical. It's up to you to apply for the correct entitlement shown on your licence. At 60 I was unsure wether or not to renew my entitlement as it does seem to come as a bit of emasculation, and queried the DVLA. I was told that if you have passed the requisite test then your entitlement is never actually lost unless it is removed from you on medical grounds or due to traffic misdemeanours, in which case they can make you take a test. I took this to mean that even if I let the entitlement drop on my current licence I could re-apply at any time having passed the proper relevant medical.
Driving licence renewal after 45: lorries, minibuses and buses
If you’re 45 or older, you’ll need to renew your licence to drive lorries, minibuses or buses every 5 years. When you reach 65, you’ll need to renew your licence every year.
You’ll get 2 forms from DVLA 56 days before your driving licence runs out:
- an ‘application for renewal of lorry and bus entitlement’ (D47P)
- a ‘medical examination report’ form (D4)
Order the D2/D4 pack if you don’t receive forms D47P and D4 in the post.
This also applies to C1 drivers who passed their test after 1997. For C1 drivers who passed a test before 1997 the requirement for a medical starts 70 then is required every 3 years.
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1st off, sorry Harry seems you are right,
and thanks David for putting us straight on the matter
and thanks David for putting us straight on the matter
Not a problem John, better its sorted out now than some poor sod getting stopped and finding out the hard way.
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so would I be right in saying, that if you passed your car test pre 1997, and since that date you passed a trailer test, you would be able to go to a max train weight of 11 tonnes, ie 7.5 t on wagon and 3.5 on trailer ?
Just copied this John. Sorry but looks like an absolute max of 8250 until you have passed the right tests - practical and theory, and you are over 21!
Category C1+E (C1E)
'Drivers who passed their car test before 1 January 1997 normally will also have category C1E entitlement. However, they will have an absolute combined vehicle and trailer MAM of 8250kgs.'
Category C1E is for goods vehicles between 3500kgs MAM and 7500kgs MAM combined with trailers over 750kg MAM.
However, the trailer MAM entitlement varies depending on driver age and how the C1E entitlement was gained:
Drivers who passed their car test before 1 January 1997 normally will also have category C1E entitlement. However, they will have an absolute combined vehicle and trailer MAM of 8250kgs.
Drivers who passed their car test after 1 January 1997 will to have to pass further tests - Category C1 (theory and practical) followed by C1E practical. There is no subcategory C1E theory test. It is not possible to go directly from category B to category C1E. Drivers who gain C1E in this manner can drive category C1 vehicles combined with a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the combination does not exceed 12000kgs MAM and the laden weight of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.
However, because EC regulations limit drivers aged under 21 years to driving vehicles or combinations which weigh no more than 7500kgs MAM, drivers under the age of 21 are not allowed to drive subcategory C1E vehicles up to 12000kgs MAM. Drivers aged 18 to 21 are allowed to take a test for subcategory C1E, it just means that entitlement is limited to a combination weight of 7500kgs MAM until the driver reaches 21 years, at which time the balance of 12000kgs MAM entitlement automatically becomes effective.
Drivers who passed their car test before 1 January 1997 and wish to raise their combined vehicle and trailer MAM of 8250kgs to the full 12000kgs will have to meet the higher medical standards, obtain a Category C1E Provisional Licence and then pass both theory and practical C1+E driving tests (in this instance they do not have to take a C1 practical test beforehand).
To drive vehicles of this type professionally (i.e. in connection with a business or employment) drivers will also need to meet the Driver CPC requirement.
Supervising drivers accompanying provisional C1E licence holders must themselves have passed a C1E or CE practical test and have held their full C1E or CE licence for at least 3 years. In other words, a driver who holds category C1E only by virtue of ‘acquired rights’ can no longer act as a supervising driver; this rule changed in May 2010.
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I have a hgv class 1, so as long as I pass the medical i will be ok to steer
Mydexta
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With interest plus vat!!!!!!You over 21 as well?
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26 then as interest rate is very very low
Tonym
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How confusing can the DVLA be. So basically C1 and C1E are the same group (7500 kg + 750kg trailer unless you have passed a trailer test irrespective of when you passed your driving test.
When I got my grandfather rights back last year they told me the only difference was a medical every 3 years for C1 and annually for a C1E
No mention of a test at all.
When I got my grandfather rights back last year they told me the only difference was a medical every 3 years for C1 and annually for a C1E
No mention of a test at all.
Trouble is it's a win win situation for them Tony. Not knowing the full extent of the law does not constitute a defence.
Oh God, here we go again! You have just turned up another poss problem Tony! I have C1E but renewal and med is every three years. However, from the silly picture on the licence, it seems that this group is for a ridged, with trailer. CE, on the other hand appears to be an Artic unit and trailer! Looking at that it would seem that C is the old class 2, and CE the old class 1.