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Howard150

Member
Location
Yorkshire
None of you experienced wagon men didn't warn me about that bleddy limiter dosnt hold you back going down hill
Them nice Yorkshire police sent a letter explaining I should not be doing 70 mph in a wagon and want $100 for doing so :poop::scratchhead::stop:

Did them very very nice Yorkshire police catch you doing 70 on an A road or is that summat else you forgot to mention cos it's 70 on a motorway or is yours too new?
It would only have bin 60 with a disco and trailer and 50 on an A road. Looks like points make prizes. Will have a word wi' em on your behalf n' see if they'll transfer the penalty to either Wigan or Widnes so as it dint stop you coming over't border see in as you seem to be t'only one that we can beat regular. :D:D:D
 
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Tom W

Member
Location
Peterborough
Registered as private HGV , yes. And if you have to do a clutch or break any of the seals, no requirement for there to be a reseal.[/QUOTE]

I think that may have changed,I had a clutch fitted last year just before mot and seem to recall we had to recalibrate and seal tacho for Test. Not 100% sure but think law changed a little while back.Im taxed private lgv.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
None of you experienced wagon men didn't warn me about that bleddy limiter dosnt hold you back going down hill
Them nice Yorkshire police sent a letter explaining I should not be doing 70 mph in a wagon and want $100 for doing so :poop::scratchhead::stop:
just been thinking about this, if you were on the motorway, the uk speed limit for a seven half tonne is 70 mph, the eu regulations state, 7.5 tonne must have a limiter fitted after 2001 to limit the engine revs, so 56 mph max under power, if limiter is working correctly you are within the law,
so would this mean that doing 70mph on overrun would be still legal as that is the limit for 7.5 tonnes under uk law, or can someone post a link showing the speed limit lower than 70 mph for this wagon.


o's your not allowed in 3rd lane if limiter is fitted


further more, if plated at 7.500 kg you cannot take a short cut and go through a 7.5 except for access limit, but if plates gross is.7.490 you can,
 
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Howard150

Member
Location
Yorkshire
In this case John twas on the A64.....duel carriageway ......name of hill ,I have forgotten ,between York and Malton

Easy to remember it well. Its called Whitwell So there it is - bang to rights on a dual carriageway. 60. Mebbe those very very nice Yorkshire policemen not too bad after all. (y):):D
 

Howard150

Member
Location
Yorkshire
They

They would ave bin more helpfull if they had pulled me over and explained about the overrun instead of this 100 quid fine and the postage:whistle:

There you go. Two things....
They are North Yorkshire and are very nice. Its the West Yorkshire who are very very nice.
Secondly. Have booked tha an appointment at specsavers. Detector van sits in a gateway 3 parts’o’t way down’t ill. You can see him as soon as you come round the corner at the top.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
There you go. Two things....
They are North Yorkshire and are very nice. Its the West Yorkshire who are very very nice.
Secondly. Have booked tha an appointment at specsavers. Detector van sits in a gateway 3 parts’o’t way down’t ill. You can see him as soon as you come round the corner at the top.
He's always struggling with bends so wouldn't have time to see that.:LOL:
 
I can still never fathom what the limit is for a 7.5T truck....I did a speed awareness course and the lecturer was an ex copper, he couldn't give me a straight answer! I'd got in my head that if you're above 3.5T gross and a commercial vehicle ie a twin wheel Merc sprinter, a 7.5T truck, etc it was 60mph. That said, I don't really know and I can never seem to find it out. Unsure about the inside lane business, still surprises me how many clowns with trailers go in that lane! My Iveco is the last of the unlimited's (bought for a reason!), so I tootle a long at 60, going past all them sitting at 56! Although now I'll have to increase to 62mph as they're starting to sit at 60, with the new speed for big trucks!
 

Dealer

Member
Location
Shropshire
I can still never fathom what the limit is for a 7.5T truck....I did a speed awareness course and the lecturer was an ex copper, he couldn't give me a straight answer! I'd got in my head that if you're above 3.5T gross and a commercial vehicle ie a twin wheel Merc sprinter, a 7.5T truck, etc it was 60mph. That said, I don't really know and I can never seem to find it out. Unsure about the inside lane business, still surprises me how many clowns with trailers go in that lane! My Iveco is the last of the unlimited's (bought for a reason!), so I tootle a long at 60, going past all them sitting at 56! Although now I'll have to increase to 62mph as they're starting to sit at 60, with the new speed for big trucks!


Clear as Mud --- Mullord

Speed limits


You must not drive faster than the speed limit for the type of road and your type of vehicle. The speed limit is the absolute maximum - it doesn’t mean it’s safe to drive at this speed in all conditions.

A speed limit of 30 miles per hour (mph) or 48 kilometres per hour (km/h) usually applies, unless you see signs showing otherwise.

National speed limits
Type of vehicle Built-up areas mph (km/h) Single carriageways mph (km/h) Dual carriageways mph (km/h) Motorways mph (km/h)
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles when towing caravans or trailers 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)
Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
Buses, coaches and minibuses (not more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
Buses, coaches and minibuses (more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
60 (96) if articulated or towing a trailer
Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) in England and Wales 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) in Scotland 30 (48) 40 (64) 50 (80) 60 (96)
Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles
Most vans:

  • have a lower speed limit than cars
  • must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars.

Motorhomes
Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:

  • carry goods for exhibition and sale
  • are used as a workshop
  • are used for storage
Locally set speed limits
Local councils can set their own speed limits in certain areas, and these must be clearly signed.

For example:

  • 20 mph zone in a built-up area near a school
  • 50 mph (rather than 60 mph) limit on a stretch of road with sharp bends
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:

  • vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
  • goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
 
Clear as Mud --- Mullord

Speed limits


You must not drive faster than the speed limit for the type of road and your type of vehicle. The speed limit is the absolute maximum - it doesn’t mean it’s safe to drive at this speed in all conditions.

A speed limit of 30 miles per hour (mph) or 48 kilometres per hour (km/h) usually applies, unless you see signs showing otherwise.

National speed limits
Type of vehicle Built-up areas mph (km/h) Single carriageways mph (km/h) Dual carriageways mph (km/h) Motorways mph (km/h)
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles when towing caravans or trailers 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)
Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
Buses, coaches and minibuses (not more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
Buses, coaches and minibuses (more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)
60 (96) if articulated or towing a trailer
Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) in England and Wales 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)
Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) in Scotland 30 (48) 40 (64) 50 (80) 60 (96)
Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles
Most vans:

  • have a lower speed limit than cars
  • must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars.

Motorhomes
Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:

  • carry goods for exhibition and sale
  • are used as a workshop
  • are used for storage
Locally set speed limits
Local councils can set their own speed limits in certain areas, and these must be clearly signed.

For example:

  • 20 mph zone in a built-up area near a school
  • 50 mph (rather than 60 mph) limit on a stretch of road with sharp bends
Speed limiters
A speed limiter must be fitted on:

  • vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, eg buses, minibuses, coaches, stretch limousines
  • goods vehicles with a maximum laden weight of more than 3.5 tonnes
Speed limiters are designed to reduce accidents. They limit the maximum speed of a vehicle by restricting the fuel supply to the engine. Having a speed limiter may mean that your vehicle can’t reach the speed limit.
That last bit about about the limiter is wot i mistakenly took ta be true
Anyway everyday is a school day
 

Dealer

Member
Location
Shropshire
I can still never fathom what the limit is for a 7.5T truck....I did a speed awareness course and the lecturer was an ex copper, he couldn't give me a straight answer! I'd got in my head that if you're above 3.5T gross and a commercial vehicle ie a twin wheel Merc sprinter, a 7.5T truck, etc it was 60mph. That said, I don't really know and I can never seem to find it out. Unsure about the inside lane business, still surprises me how many clowns with trailers go in that lane! My Iveco is the last of the unlimited's (bought for a reason!), so I tootle a long at 60, going past all them sitting at 56! Although now I'll have to increase to 62mph as they're starting to sit at 60, with the new speed for big trucks!

Q590: What types of vehicles are not allowed in the outside lane on the motorway?
The types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand (offside) lane on a motorway, which has three or more lanes open for use by traffic travelling in the same direction are:

  • a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes,
  • a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
  • a passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which exceeds 7.5 tonnes;
  • a passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which does not exceed 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.
  • a motor vehicle drawing a trailer
  • a vehicle which is a motor tractor, a light locomotive or a heavy locomotive.
There are exceptions to this rule, which are:

  • when it is necessary for the vehicle to be driven to enable it to pass another vehicle which is carrying or drawing a load of exceptional width.
  • for a vehicle to change lane during a period when it would not be reasonably practicable for it to do so without involving danger of injury to any person or inconvenience to other traffic.
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
just been thinking about this, if you were on the motorway, the uk speed limit for a seven half tonne is 70 mph, the eu regulations state, 7.5 tonne must have a limiter fitted after 2001 to limit the engine revs, so 56 mph max under power, if limiter is working correctly you are within the law,
so would this mean that doing 70mph on overrun would be still legal as that is the limit for 7.5 tonnes under uk law, or can someone post a link showing the speed limit lower than 70 mph for this wagon.


o's your not allowed in 3rd lane if limiter is fitted


further more, if plated at 7.500 kg you cannot take a short cut and go through a 7.5 except for access limit, but if plates gross is.7.490 you can,
overspeed to national limit is legal
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
One thing missing from all that data. It only applies to vehicles registered after a certain date. 7.490 trucks registered before then can use the outer lane, and are limited to the prevailing speed limit. This is due to it not being possible to fit a limiter to most of the engines in use at that time.
 

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