Welger vs McHale

Andrew1983

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Black Isle
Parts should be next day Andrew if ordered before 5pm that day, what part is it?
One of the Bale forming rollers above the rotor disintegrated on the 160. That’s only just been ordered today as far as I know but my comment on 4 days refers to previous occasions where Phillips struggled to get us bits quick enough. Sometimes 4 days wouldn’t hold the delay for stuff coming from Holland I think. We were down for over a week once but thankfully phillips had a demo roller baler to keep us going. Hopefully Agco have parts supply sorted now then!
 

Sebastian77

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Nottingham
It was actually the “CROP” as straw thrashed to dust by a rotary combine on a scorching hot afternoon ain’t for a round baler and SHOULD have actually been square baled. Trouble here is half a story is still only HALF the STORY ?
Yep thought so.. touched on it in my last post. Exceptionally hot weather and straw... No round baler is getting straw tight in those conditions, simply can't compress the straw enough. We'd have stopped and gone back later on, it's amazing how much better straw bales at night.

Funny you mention square baled, we had some short(ish) barley last year that our square baler simply refused to pick up.. was infuriating.. so had to go get the round baler... More a problem with our old NH, newer ones have continuous feed rollers like a round baler i think..
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
One of the Bale forming rollers above the rotor disintegrated on the 160. That’s only just been ordered today as far as I know but my comment on 4 days refers to previous occasions where Phillips struggled to get us bits quick enough. Sometimes 4 days wouldn’t hold the delay for stuff coming from Holland I think. We were down for over a week once but thankfully phillips had a demo roller baler to keep us going. Hopefully Agco have parts supply sorted now then!
Problem could be more to do dealer than welger.
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Yep thought so.. touched on it in my last post. Exceptionally hot weather and straw... No round baler is getting straw tight in those conditions, simply can't compress the straw enough. We'd have stopped and gone back later on, it's amazing how much better straw bales at night.

Funny you mention square baled, we had some short(ish) barley last year that our square baler simply refused to pick up.. was infuriating.. so had to go get the round baler... More a problem with our old NH, newer ones have continuous feed rollers like a round baler i think..
Isn't straw normally baled in hot weather or am i missing something? i round baled in very hot conditions last year no issues at all. Bales as tight as usual. No cone shaped ones or broken ones.

You have just admitted that your round baler, a mchale, won't cope with straw in certain condition, as i have also found out , again with a mchale.

So it seems to answer @Fragonard original question, if you want to bale straw when its hot and dry. Avoid a Mchale, or wait until it cools down.
 

Boohoo

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Location
Newtownabbey
Never had a problem with McHale parts. Dealers usually carry plenty of stock and if there's anything they don't have they place the order with McHale and the parts usually arrive on farm the next day.
 

Chae1

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Location
Aberdeenshire
Isn't straw normally baled in hot weather or am i missing something? i round baled in very hot conditions last year no issues at all. Bales as tight as usual. No cone shaped ones or broken ones.

You have just admitted that your round baler, a mchale, won't cope with straw in certain condition, as i have also found out , again with a mchale.

So it seems to answer @Fragonard original question, if you want to bale straw when its hot and dry. Avoid a Mchale, or wait until it cools down.
It depends on the straw, if you've short brittle stuff like sticks from 6 row winter barley they can struggle. It's so dry you have to turn density right up to get weight in bale. Then they start exploding.

Think this would happen with any make of round baler, I've had it with McHale and welger.

Go back with square baler, it loves that stuff.
 

Sebastian77

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Nottingham
Isn't straw normally baled in hot weather or am i missing something? i round baled in very hot conditions last year no issues at all. Bales as tight as usual. No cone shaped ones or broken ones.

You have just admitted that your round baler, a mchale, won't cope with straw in certain condition, as i have also found out , again with a mchale.

So it seems to answer @Fragonard original question, if you want to bale straw when its hot and dry. Avoid a Mchale, or wait until it cools down.
I'd love to witness a welger, or any other baler brand, making bales in conditions that are unsuitable for a McHale.. as it has nothing to do with what colour the baler is and is simply physics.

You also misunderstand why I said bale in cooler conditions, can a McHale bale in hot weather? Yes absolutely, we do it every year when timing is tight, are the bale weights ideal? No not really so you wait till it cools a bit. You probably think just because a bale is round and tight that it's job done? Not if difference is 200kg/Hundred more bales to fetch in.

I'll also add that come shape bales are 100% operator, any baler will throw a cone bale if you ignore the beeps and keep loading one side..
 

balerman

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Location
N Devon
Isn't straw normally baled in hot weather or am i missing something? i round baled in very hot conditions last year no issues at all. Bales as tight as usual. No cone shaped ones or broken ones.

You have just admitted that your round baler, a mchale, won't cope with straw in certain condition, as i have also found out , again with a mchale.

So it seems to answer @Fragonard original question, if you want to bale straw when its hot and dry. Avoid a Mchale, or wait until it cools down.
A lot of fixed chamber balers struggle in very short shiny straw and hay in the heat of the day,particularly the ones with a feed plate for the net where there should be another roller(most JD and early McHales as I recall).Never had a problem with a Welger since RP12 days,and I have been called out to bale where others wont many times,including once last week.They will nearly all bale it when the dew comes down,but that's not really the point...
 
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balerman

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Location
N Devon
It depends on the straw, if you've short brittle stuff like sticks from 6 row winter barley they can struggle. It's so dry you have to turn density right up to get weight in bale. Then they start exploding.

Think this would happen with any make of round baler, I've had it with McHale and welger.

Go back with square baler, it loves that stuff.
If the bale is exploding you need to put on more/better net.The problem with dry short straw is the bale stops turning in the chamber.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Had some trouble last year with my Claas 355 on a really hot day in chaffy barley straw, had a couple bales burst open so put more wrap on, then a couple times the bale started slipping in the chamber, it happens sometimes but 99.9 % of the time its fine
interesting comments on the net wrapper on claas balers and running with the top open, I have had a 250 two 255's and the 355 and never had much hassle
 

Galcam

Member
Yes Happy but Nokia struggled and divested itself of the phone business years ago only to return later. What are u suggesting about Welger?
 

balerman

Member
Location
N Devon
Do welger/lely parts have to come via agco now?
Yes they do and im not overly confident they will keep parts going for balers that Lely made for too long.They stopped making the Storm forager a couple years ago and already winding down part supply.The round balers they make now have changed a lot from even 3 years ago,im due to change in 2 years time and it probably wont be for another welger,its a real shame cos the present one is the best baler I have owned.
 

Fragonard

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Yes they do and im not overly confident they will keep parts going for balers that Lely made for too long.They stopped making the Storm forager a couple years ago and already winding down part supply.The round balers they make now have changed a lot from even 3 years ago,im due to change in 2 years time and it probably wont be for another welger,its a real shame cos the present one is the best baler I have owned.
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