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Whats up with my W Barley??

Frit fly would show as dead hearts. The OP's photo showed good second leaves & damaged fist ones.

If you have healthy new growth and unhealthy old then it's a nutrient issue, the plant is moving it around to 'finance' new tissue or has otherwise developed some roots to obtain a supply from the soil. As I said, it normally will recover on it's own but don't leave an unhappy crop for too long, particularly barley where tillers count.

Frit fly damage is far more readily identified as you say.
 

2wheels

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Location
aberdeenshire
was the previous crop cut in the opposite direction to the new crop. if so was the straw chopped as it could be a double dose of straw incorporated. on the other hand my reply could be a pile of s***. :)
 

Shutesy

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Moderator
was the previous crop cut in the opposite direction to the new crop. if so was the straw chopped as it could be a double dose of straw incorporated. on the other hand my reply could be a pile of s***. :)
Assume this was intended for me, previous crops all cut in the same direction as its the outer 2 works round the headland so always cut the same way. Discing was only light so not much incorporation. Thinking its probably pre-em damage mixed with dry soil slowing establishment due to the nearby trees.
 

Andrew K

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Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
To create a better stale seedbed and reduce the wheat volunteers from the previous crop. I do this where I'm growing a winter cereal different to the one I harvested a few weeks before.
Very important IMO, One of the reasons I have never embraced No Till despite its many attractions.
 

Shutesy

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Moderator
Why do You need to do all this tillage pases if You have striptill drill?
Experiences so far have taught me that drilling a winter cereal crop into a cereal stubble doesn't always get ideal establishment due to the amount of chopped straw covering the soil surface keeping it wet if things turn a bit sticky in October. A quick shallow pass with the discs in September followed by a press once its hazelled over seems to make it a bit more weatherproof, dries out a bit quicker if it gets wet and chops up and incorporates a bit of straw. Years where its as dry as this has been means a stubble rake doesn't get much penetration to create a tilth though still does a good job of spreading chopped straw about and getting small seeds like OSR volunteers to grow.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Experiences so far have taught me that drilling a winter cereal crop into a cereal stubble doesn't always get ideal establishment due to the amount of chopped straw covering the soil surface keeping it wet if things turn a bit sticky in October. A quick shallow pass with the discs in September followed by a press once its hazelled over seems to make it a bit more weatherproof, dries out a bit quicker if it gets wet and chops up and incorporates a bit of straw. Years where its as dry as this has been means a stubble rake doesn't get much penetration to create a tilth though still does a good job of spreading chopped straw about and getting small seeds like OSR volunteers to grow.

This! Very much this. I’m glad I’m not alone in thinking like that. I’ve never quite got my head around how ultra low disturbance no tillers manage to make this work without a serious residue and volunteer problem. Not for a short field turnaround time anyway.
 

Rihards

Member
Location
Latvia
Experiences so far have taught me that drilling a winter cereal crop into a cereal stubble doesn't always get ideal establishment due to the amount of chopped straw covering the soil surface keeping it wet if things turn a bit sticky in October. A quick shallow pass with the discs in September followed by a press once its hazelled over seems to make it a bit more weatherproof, dries out a bit quicker if it gets wet and chops up and incorporates a bit of straw. Years where its as dry as this has been means a stubble rake doesn't get much penetration to create a tilth though still does a good job of spreading chopped straw about and getting small seeds like OSR volunteers to grow.
From my experience in striptill I can hinestly say that all problems we create in our heads, because we dont realy trust in system. When You realise sudnly that You cant work against Mother nature, all problem more or less sort out by them self. Right crop rotation and focuss on Your soil not Your pocket is the key answer. I know it sounds like crazy religian, but it works....
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
This! Very much this. I’m glad I’m not alone in thinking like that. I’ve never quite got my head around how ultra low disturbance no tillers manage to make this work without a serious residue and volunteer problem. Not for a short field turnaround time anyway.
The ones around here put an absolute minimal amount through the combine, so at time of drilling (or broadcasting) there is basically nothing to incorporate, preventing issues - usually the first dose of N begins the standing residue's descent, and lies over in time to form a layer of litter to stop raindrops splashing soil on the second & third leaves, which reduces the fungicide requirement in a fairly damp climate

Mind you, it took them time to work it out, but those who are doing it have probably been no-till for 30 or 40 years now and have had enough heartache to last them
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
^^^^^^^^^^^
as above

if you are not baling the straw, why cut low ?
if you don't cut low for baling straw, why are you chopping straw ?
putting all that straw through a machine & then chopping it also, slows down harvest efficiency & uses more fuel . . .
if you don't have a lot of low cut, chopped straw, you don't have incorporation issues . . .
tall standing stubble is the easiest to deal with, as long as you have appropriate planting equipment
 

cows r us

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BASE UK Member
Location
Buckinghamshire
Since my last post I have looked at a lot of barley ground now. Huge amounts round here have seen yellowing from pre ems. The worst hit seems to be tilled ground the stuff only hit a bit is on zero tilled ground. I guess in strip till your probably in the middle of that now. I wouldn't worry to much. Get on it early after winter with manganese and some fert to get it growing away.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
^^^^^^^^^^^
as above

if you are not baling the straw, why cut low ?
if you don't cut low for baling straw, why are you chopping straw ?
putting all that straw through a machine & then chopping it also, slows down harvest efficiency & uses more fuel . . .
if you don't have a lot of low cut, chopped straw, you don't have incorporation issues . . .
tall standing stubble is the easiest to deal with, as long as you have appropriate planting equipment

Fair comment. Stripper headers aren't that common over here. Much higher grain losses & until recently we haven't had much of choice of seed drills that can cope with a thick crop of flat straw. There are a few about still for growers of grass seed & the odd no tiller.
 

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