Wheat variety choices next year?

[franklin]

Cant find any fault with Relay, so now debating if gp1 is worth the hassle.

 

[4course]

Cant find any fault with Relay, so now debating if gp1 is worth the hassle.

we havnt any gr1 gave up the fruitless exercise years ago , but have had gr 2, yields are very similar to the rest but some lili has yielded very well as a second wheat but lost out on hagberg and some siskin as 1st wheat has yielded fine but not made the grade for protein being a bit low , merchant says there might be a couple of quid later so basically they are as we thought good yielders any premium is minimal but cant knock them on yield or disease and both have stood well siskin is a bit earlier we may use it to replace the grafton we have grown for years to enable us to sow sheep keep, will probably sow a bit of both along side our feed wheats

 

[Flat 10]

Sorry may not have written that too well.
2% or above the comparator - Automatic recommendation
0-2% above the comparator - these will be recommended unless there is anything about the variety that would be a reason not to recommend it (i.e. a particularly low disease rating or standing ability etc)
2% below to 0% compared to the comparator - is there something particularly good about the variety, usually in comparison to what is already on the list, that might warrant a recommendation.

You then also have some special cases which might be end use, a unique disease resistance or agronomic type.

And once decisions have been made they have to check that in comparing those that have been recommended with those that have not are the reasons and decisions consistent. Hence last year a lot of soft wheat's got on because it was very difficult to split them. Once one was recommended then others had to follow.

I understood completely first time thanks. I was saying the system (now l know how it works) is pretty rubbish.

 

[Renaultman]

Kerrin has Santiago in it and of course Santiago had Oakley in it. The yield potential is certainly there from what we have seen to date I am pretty sure it will be right up there when the official trials results come in. And there is a fair number of people who are also going to give it a punt this year. The key difference for me is that Kerrin doesn't have the straw strength of Santiago, so if that is a key factor for you there may be better choices. Disease wise it is a bit better than Santiago but will need looking after all the same.

What also have to remember is that if you have been growing a variety for a number of years you probably know how to maximise its genetic potential in terms of when and what you spray, when you drill it and where you put it on your farm. But trying a tonne alongside one of your bench marks is the best way to get some idea of how it will go.

So in summary I don't think much will outyield it but take the straw strength into account.


Barry

Thanks very much for that well reasoned answer.

Tony

 

[robbie]

I still can't decide weather to try something new or just stick with good old faithful jb Diego.

Skyfall grown as feed has done well locally after beet producing a very good sample.

Kws kerrin sounds good as a late driller after beet, it's good on light land and as a second wheat so it ticks a lot of boxes.

Costello is being pitched as a Diego replacement and has a stonking bushel weigh but isn't rated that good as a second wheat.

Siskin has the highest east yield and a lot is being grown locally as a feed wheat but it's all as flat as a witches tit.


Decisions decisions.

 

[franklin]

Siskin has the highest east yield and a lot is being grown locally as a feed wheat but it's all as flat as a witches tit.

I cut back the N on my Siskin, which is why it was a bit down on protein, but even at reduced rates and with buckets of PGR it was on the verge of going down. Dont mind a bit of a lean but only if there is a massive pile of grain. There was a moderate pile, but not a competitve enough or stiff enough variety for a 2nd chance here.

 

[Chalky]

Real mixed bag wheat harvest thus far.

Had decided all non OBM varieties were going. Out Evolution-one year too late given how it is performing. Out Belgrade-looked tremendous-flattered to deceive, but matched best yields thus far.

Saved Reflection seed already-did well. Leeds looks the pick of the samples-yet to cut. Cougar as always a pleasure to grow & I think will do well, but lost 2t/ha last year with fusarium & it could happen again, so will have to go. Belepi late winter after beet.

Grew seed Sundance & Crispin. Neither have shone mostly down to drilling position, though Sundance was very clean & tillered well.Will uses both somewhere, but looking for that big area variety that Evolution had done so well in until this harvest. Surely it couldn't be that Reflection?! May have to look at Kerrin to spread my risk a bit

 

[yellow belly]

what is needed is a higher yielding group 3

earlier varietys in each category would solve most peoples harvest issues at no extra cost especially now many are drilling later so will be harvesting in late august in most years

 

[Poacher]

what is needed is a higher yielding group 3

earlier varietys in each category would solve most peoples harvest issues at no extra cost especially now many are drilling later so will be harvesting in late august in most years

Hi Yellow Belly, Nickersons / Limagrain UK have a good looking Group 3 variety coming through Official Trials. Its currently completing NL2 ( 2nd Year ) but they are releasing some early stock seed for the trade to multiply. As far as I can glean its Official Trial Results so far this autumn with some still to come in are impressive. 12% above Zulu and 3% above Siskin and Santiago which are 3 of the 5 control varieties. The other 2 control varieties are Crusoe and Skyfall ( Group 1 ) and its 10% and 7% respectively ahead of those...so far. If anyone has any clean land and would be interested, we have a small allocation of this to multiply up to C2 for next year. PM if you are.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Not got into my Skyfall yet but been advised to stick with Skyfall and probably will try some Costello and/or Graham.

 

[moretimeforgolf]

Sticking with Skyfall, it's consistent here and hagberg of 400 this year. Dropping Crusoe, more variable and most of it was on the lean this year, always a pain to get an acceptable sample. Trying Zyatt and Montana this autumn.

 

[Jo28]

Sticking with reflection, viscount and trinity. was hoping to try some elicit but doubt we'll get seed.

 

[Farmer T]

Hi Yellow Belly, Nickersons / Limagrain UK have a good looking Group 3 variety coming through Official Trials. Its currently completing NL2 ( 2nd Year ) but they are releasing some early stock seed for the trade to multiply. As far as I can glean its Official Trial Results so far this autumn with some still to come in are impressive. 12% above Zulu and 3% above Siskin and Santiago which are 3 of the 5 control varieties. The other 2 control varieties are Crusoe and Skyfall ( Group 1 ) and its 10% and 7% respectively ahead of those...so far. If anyone has any clean land and would be interested, we have a small allocation of this to multiply up to C2 for next year. PM if you are.

No offence but if it has the same resistance to YR Zulu/ Britannia have you have to warn farmers, or more importantly the agronomist and spray man.

 

[Wombat]

Trying some Sundance

 

[Andrew K]

Trying some Sundance

Look at its untreated yield?

 

[Flat 10]

Look at its untreated yield?

It's good. ?

 

[AF Salers]

Beware the low bushel weight on Sundance, be prepared to blend it with another variety if need be to meet spec

 

[Wombat]

Beware the low bushel weight on Sundance, be prepared to blend it with another variety if need be to meet spec

Will do and it's similar to Santiago but will go in the feed bin anyway

 

[Andrew K]

Will do and it's similar to Santiago but will go in the feed bin anyway

I thought it was sundance that looked like it had Reglone in the untreated plots at Cereals, or was it another LG variety possibly?

 

[yellow belly]

Hi Yellow Belly, Nickersons / Limagrain UK have a good looking Group 3 variety coming through Official Trials. Its currently completing NL2 ( 2nd Year ) but they are releasing some early stock seed for the trade to multiply. As far as I can glean its Official Trial Results so far this autumn with some still to come in are impressive. 12% above Zulu and 3% above Siskin and Santiago which are 3 of the 5 control varieties. The other 2 control varieties are Crusoe and Skyfall ( Group 1 ) and its 10% and 7% respectively ahead of those...so far. If anyone has any clean land and would be interested, we have a small allocation of this to multiply up to C2 for next year. PM if you are.

how early is it on deep water retentive later land obm resistance also essential