Wheat variety choices next year?

[PSQ]

Siskin as many have said looked poor until GS39. It has filled out nicely now though . Prob why it's so good for disease , it is spindly

And yet I grew it after seeing a merchants trials last year, where the Siskin had been hammered by slugs in the Autumn, but by June it had tillered so well that it looked like tumble weed.

But by the beginning of April I was trying to work out what I'd done wrong to end up with such a pale and thin looking stand. (2nd Wheat)
- It doesn't like cold springs.
- it doesn't like drought.
- it's sensitive to a cobbly seed bed.
- VRS helped, but it's too thin on the low rate areas.
- it does like a big dollop early nitrogen.
Not sure it's going to getting a 2nd chance.

Revelation and Grafton coped better, and still look more promising.

 

[Iben]

Probably solo and istabraq again next year. Have some barrel in this year, looks good but the dirtiest of the three.

 

[John Slejpner]

I'm going back into wheat after a three year break this autumn, there's lots of new names above, not much love for skyfall?

As static says, but also OBM resistant. Downsides are a weakness to mildew, and gp1 premiums that are a joke mostly due to the amount of skyfall in the ground.
Not being mentioned on here because everyone who might possibly have wanted to try a bit is already growing it...and often a lot of it.

Zyatt looks a better package now than Skyfall, at least on paper, assuming OBM status not a deal breaker. For me, it is.

 

[dirty harry]

Zyatt does tick a lot of boxes & for me the obm job is a small risk to take? But agree the gp1 premium is rubbish!! Cheers dh

 

[John Slejpner]

Zyatt does tick a lot of boxes & for me the obm job is a small risk to take? But agree the gp1 premium is rubbish!! Cheers dh

They say rules are meant to be broken, and Zyatt and Siskin are doing their best to persuade me to break my rule of "within all reasonable reason(!) don't plant ANY non OBM resistant wheat".

I have 30ha of Siskin....last years trial performance seemed a reasonable reason at the time....no regrets yet.

That said i have booked a little of KWS Kerrin, Gravity and Zyatt to try.
Skyfall and siskin will / can be farm saved (and 3rd crop 5% Belepi)

Kerrin - OBM resistant, average enough disease scores to commit to a 4 spray programme without wondering "what if"; Santiago cross and i miss santiago (note to self - downgrade ok YR score to "probably pants"). Being touted as the highest yielding second wheat you can grow.

Shabras, also touted as great second wheat, lost out to Kerrin despite better disease scores due to non OBM , and early to harvest. (Until i am sure that i'm not growing a lot of skyfall, i don't want "early to harvest" )

Gravity is a 1 tonne fun punt. Gp 4 high input high output. Limited data suggest a possible 2-3% yield advantage over next best.

 

[4course]

And yet I grew it after seeing a merchants trials last year, where the Siskin had been hammered by slugs in the Autumn, but by June it had tillered so well that it looked like tumble weed.

But by the beginning of April I was trying to work out what I'd done wrong to end up with such a pale and thin looking stand. (2nd Wheat)
- It doesn't like cold springs.
- it doesn't like drought.
- it's sensitive to a cobbly seed bed.
- VRS helped, but it's too thin on the low rate areas.
- it does like a big dollop early nitrogen.
Not sure it's going to getting a 2nd chance.

Revelation and Grafton coped better, and still look more promising.

siskin seems to be similar here ,wasnt at all impressed coming out of winter but has rallied and now has by the looks of it as many if not more ears/sq than any although a tad less grain sites up the ear, too early to write off or increase. Revelation looks tremendous now its got hold of some moisture massive ears but harvest will tell us more , last year and this are totally different revelation did well here last year and the bit of grafton we have for early harvesting looks like it will still do ok and im liking the look of lili at the moment

 

[yellow belly]

Obm in a bad year cost 1tonne per acre
1 in 20 years 5%yield loss
Now no control except resistance

Spraying insecticide just kill all the predators and makes the pests worse as most pests are now resistant to insecticide
Cheap insurance sprays do not pay

 

[John Slejpner]

Obm in a bad year cost 1tonne per acre
1 in 20 years 5%yield loss

Pre Santiago, 15-17 years ago, the A1 corridor from Brampton down to Biggleswade was an OBM hotspot. At the time every other year was very high pressure.

The wheat breeders have done a great job heading this one off at the pass.

 

[David.]

Siskin on left both photos, Costello right. Second wheat, no slugs, drilled
on 08 11 16. Both new C2 seed 210kg/ha


Rest of season Siskin much as PSQ describes

 

[phil]

Just don't be surprised if it ends up flatter than a witches tit.

Oh I wasn't going to sow just thought name was shite

Is it poor stander?

 

[A Trebor]

Keep us in the loop on how this performs, looking for a JB Diego replacement. Have Costello this year and happy with with it so far along with some Siskin which also look well to date.

Will do but it is at work not at home,proberbly go over weigh bridge so will let you know.

 

[PSQ]

Oh I wasn't going to sow just thought name was shite

Is it poor stander?

No idea, but with a name like 'bender', probably not.

 

[AF Salers]

Will keep Santiago/Evolution blend for bulk of wheat area next year. Planning at present to try half a tonne of Gravity and of Kerrin with a view to FSS for following year.
Pleased with how Tower/Infinity wb looks so will FSS this for this years wb area.

 

[7800]

forgot Shabras and graham and Belgrade look pretty good in trials i have seen, any one have any in the ground this year? all early varieties good for osr establishment[/Q

graham, like sisikin, seems to have slow growth and not good at tillering which is not great in a blackgrass situation

 

[Jo28]

does anyone know much about elation, especially regarding tillering?

 

[Barry]

Very early stages with Elation, is a candidate this year so we will know more after this year's assessments. Looks a decent soft wheat.

 

[PSQ]

@Barry is there any form of assessment or scoring done on plant tillering ?

Given the number of late cold springs over the last few years, us northern wheat growers are getting a bit sick of shy tillering varieties.

 

[DanniAgro]

@Barry is there any form of assessment or scoring done on plant tillering ?

Given the number of late cold springs over the last few years, us northern wheat growers are getting a bit sick of shy tillering varieties.

Take it from me as a southern grower, I'm just as sick of asking seed company reps whether their new wonder variety tillers well and being told that it's not important. Last year one tutted to my face about it.
When you're trying to get a crop in after maize, tillering is top of my list, so that the plants will fill out in the wet patches where emergence is patchy.

 

[bobk]

Take it from me as a southern grower, I'm just as sick of asking seed company reps whether their new wonder variety tillers well and being told that it's not important. Last year one tutted to my face about it.
When you're trying to get a crop in after maize, tillering is top of my list, so that the plants will fill out in the wet patches where emergence is patchy.

Tillering is about soil and weather conditions isn'it ?

 

[franklin]

Having seen the plots at Cereals, I'm happy to stick with the old faithful, but will try a couple of tons of Motown.