Wide spring tines 8 -9m , mounted or trailed?

[spikeislander]

Help me with this , looking for a set of wide tines and several options . But I’m really stuck on which is best for my situation? Which I know can change depending on what I’m trying to achieve.
As I see it the points for each are as follows :
Mounted
Firstly mounted brand new half the price!
Less wheeling at ends and lighter
Possibly able to use a lighter tractor
But less rows of tines ( trash flow maybe less), a bit lighter ( could bounce) , and I suspect again due to weight may not face the work as well?

A trailed set , more money ( but a lot more to them to be fair), extra length and more rows of tines.
Kinder on rear of tractor although may take more pulling so will need to move up to our bigger tractors.
Most have another cultivation in them either a front and rear clod board ( I can get a mounted with a front one).

Any body had any experience ? The idea of flying over the top with our light 724 compared to possibly needing the crawler or 936 for a extra 1m doesn’t seem to stack up, but I do think there maybe a difference between the two in the field more than can be seen on paper or my limited grey matter can muster.
Would appreciate views on a horrible day .

 

[Alistair Nelson]

I have a 6m trailed Wiberg which I’ve pulled with everything from a jd6610 to a 200hp claas. So a 724 will happily pull an 8m. After that folding widths / heights become an issue unless they have double folds in wings.

 

[spikeislander]

Can just about manage 4.4 m high fold width which a 9m set are , 8 m 3.9 -4m .
We have a big set of blench that height and manageable, but must be 3m road width.

 

[kevindb880]

I have a 6m trailed Wiberg which I’ve pulled with everything from a jd6610 to a 200hp claas. So a 724 will happily pull an 8m. After that folding widths / heights become an issue unless they have double folds in wings.

Trailed every time, your pulling your wheel marks out the headlands as you go!
Wiberg is a brilliant spring tine, pity you can’t get parts for them now.

 

[PSQ]

A rear crumbler / cage roller would bring a lot to the party, but would mean it would have to be trailed.

 

[Flat 10]

A rear crumbler / cage roller would bring a lot to the party, but would mean it would have to be trailed.

Why?

 

[spikeislander]

We are pretty heavy clay land , so a lot of the time it will be used to lift and aerate wet land , or possibly time in wheat , so I don’t think the crumbler will add to it and I fear would fill up very quickly .
Looking at YouTube etc they are all on perfect land which tbh a sleeper dragged along would be enough, but I noticed a lot turning with them in the ground ? Wouldn’t do it with a mounted as strains on links would be massive , but with a trailed set is that good practice? Would pull hard and increase compaction on pulling tractor tyres but would put anymore stress on the frame?

 

[PSQ]

Why?

The tines lift the clods; the roller chops, packs and does a little bit of levelling. Tried running mine with less weight on the roller, and it only does half a job.
But @spikeislanders reply states that his clay is too wet, so it’s a moot point anyway.

 

[Mark C]

Dalbo cultimax has 7 rows of tines and 2 x levellers, Cultitrail has 5 x rows and one leveller.
A mate bought an 9m Farmet from Brocks. Similar to a cultimax or Vaddy NZA but cheaper by far and folded up narrower for road transport. I was V impressed with it

 

[spikeislander]

Yes looking at one of those , still not cheap but does look good , build quality not bad.

 

[spikeislander]

Not that I could afford a vaderstad but they really are missing out as their transport widths rule them out IMO

 

[Flat 10]

The tines lift the clods; the roller chops, packs and does a little bit of levelling. Tried running mine with less weight on the roller, and it only does half a job.
But @spikeislanders reply states that his clay is too wet, so it’s a moot point anyway.

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I meant why does it need to be trailed?

 

[Brisel]

I don‘t know what a Wiberg is like on horrible clay but I had a 8.2m one on 220 hp on lighter soils. The tines wouldn’t take horses heads but we would run a Carrier over heavier ground first. The 2 sets of boards did most of the work to be honest. I’ve left that farm now but we hadn’t used the Wiberg for years since getting a Claydon so it will probably be for sale at some point.

Wibergs don’t like much trash. Gregoire Besson used to sell parts for them. @Robt was there for a while so may be able to shed some light on this.

 

[Robt]

Wiberg ...... a word that used to make us shiver... nightmare to get parts. Nobody ever knew what machine they had... glad those days are over!

 

[homefarm]

Another Wiberg fan here. Met the MD at mid 90,s cereals he persuaded me to go and watch the his trailed one on the demo site. We bought a 6m at a farm sale then and another one secondhand in 2005 both made in the 90s and still working fine. The way they alter the depth by altering the tine angle is still unique.
Agri linc have a 9.3m wiberg in at the moment, they can be kept going with a welder if necessary but ours has only had an odd tine, points, tyres and wheel bearings.

 

[PSQ]

I meant why does it need to be trailed?

There’s a lot of heavy box in a 9m set of spring tines. The extra weight of a cage roller so far back would be near if not beyond the range of any pneumatic tyre.

 

[Flat 10]

There’s a lot of heavy box in a 9m set of spring tines. The extra weight of a cage roller so far back would be near if not beyond the range of any pneumatic tyre.

I guess there’s spring tines and spring tines