wildlife offers

[roscoe erf]

just wondering what ppl are doing....seen a few posts of ppl applying on the wire...so poll ......two responses first which option...second timing

what you going for wolves bears or beavers

 

[Northern territory]

I think it will backfire if a lot of productive land starts getting heaped in as well.

 

[teslacoils]

Indeed. The new ab15 has no parcel limit, and I quite preferred the idea of £200 an acre plus bps for five years doing essentially nothing but reducing the weeds and enhancing the soil. It's not the best payer though. It's perfectly possible to enter your farm into suplimentary fed wild bird food which will pay £400/AC plus bps for five years. You won't get that in the bank.

I'm led to believe that these schemes are "automatic acceptance" so fill your boots. We went into mud tier with the idea it was a competitive process, hence we put a reasonable 10 percent of the farm into it. In the end noone applied!

The new ab15 is a complete no brainer for farms growing just combinables. I'm hoping it's still there in two years time.

 

[Northern territory]

Indeed. The new ab15 has no parcel limit, and I quite preferred the idea of £200 an acre plus bps for five years doing essentially nothing but reducing the weeds and enhancing the soil. It's not the best payer though. It's perfectly possible to enter your farm into suplimentary fed wild bird food which will pay £400/AC plus bps for five years. You won't get that in the bank.

I'm led to believe that these schemes are "automatic acceptance" so fill your boots. We went into mud tier with the idea it was a competitive process, hence we put a reasonable 10 percent of the farm into it. In the end noone applied!

The new ab15 is a complete no brainer for farms growing just combinables. I'm hoping it's still there in two years time.

Does that only work though now that 3 crop rule has gone

 

[Hindsight]

Indeed. The new ab15 has no parcel limit, and I quite preferred the idea of £200 an acre plus bps for five years doing essentially nothing but reducing the weeds and enhancing the soil. It's not the best payer though. It's perfectly possible to enter your farm into suplimentary fed wild bird food which will pay £400/AC plus bps for five years. You won't get that in the bank.

I'm led to believe that these schemes are "automatic acceptance" so fill your boots. We went into mud tier with the idea it was a competitive process, hence we put a reasonable 10 percent of the farm into it. In the end noone applied!

The new ab15 is a complete no brainer for farms growing just combinables. I'm hoping it's still there in two years time.

On reflection I now think the new AB15 prescription which does not require inclusion of any grass might be even better! Less fear of building up a Ryegrass seedbank over the life of the scheme. I have suggested to a number of 'farmers' the idea of putting bulk of land into AB15. Anyway to late for this year now.

 

[teslacoils]

Does that only work though now that 3 crop rule has gone

You can code ab15 as either temp grass or fallow, so I believe it will fill an exemption. Like all dealings with the powers that be, I pay someone who knows more than he to sort it.

 

[teslacoils]

On reflection I now think the new AB15 prescription which does not require inclusion of any grass might be even better! Less fear of building up a Ryegrass seedbank over the life of the scheme. I have suggested to a number of 'farmers' the idea of putting bulk of land into AB15. Anyway to late for this year now.

Yes, I have said before the mix I use would be mych better without the grass - my daddy's scheme will be under the new mix. I don't think the bit of shed ryegrass is going to be s big issue.

 

[spin cycle]

I think it will backfire if a lot of productive land starts getting heaped in as well.

thats the whole point....most of the grade 2 land on my little place is going in ...feck malsters...feck RT ....feck volatile sheep trade

 

[B R C]

You get a crop in first year so averages out over four years at £268 plus bps so atm (I know BPS will decrease), about £348/ac per year for the four years less seed and establishment costs and a bit of topping, beginning to think I should have put more in...

 

[Northern territory]

thats the whole point....most of the grade 2 land on my little place is going in ...feck malsters...feck RT ....feck volatile sheep trade

You get a crop in first year so averages out over four years at £268 plus bps so atm (I know BPS will decrease), about £348/ac per year for the four years less seed and establishment costs and a bit of topping, beginning to think I should have put more in...

will it be as viable without bps, just asking?

 

[spin cycle]

will it be as viable without bps, just asking?

will crops/livestock?

 

[B R C]

Yes if your overheads are low!

 

[Northern territory]

will crops/livestock?

Agree just wondering really it will be a lot less work. Then again they will probably move the goalpost again

 

[spin cycle]

Agree just wondering really it will be a lot less work. Then again they will probably move the goalpost again

plan for part of my scheme is rotational cereal....enhanced stubble til 1st august following year....stubble turnips til feb.....bare fallow til following march then cereal again.....so land only getting ploughed 1 in 3 years and stubble cultivated once as well

birdcover.....establish late spring then you don't have to touch it til following year

 

[Northern territory]

plan for part of my scheme is rotational cereal....enhanced stubble til 1st august following year....stubble turnips til feb.....bare fallow til following march then cereal again.....so land only getting ploughed 1 in 3 years and stubble cultivated once as well

birdcover.....establish late spring then you don't have to touch it til following year

trouble with us is impact on stocking rates as we are quite heavily stocked on acerage. Used to do low input grazing in old els but the payments for that don’t float my boat much.

 

[DRC]

plan for part of my scheme is rotational cereal....enhanced stubble til 1st august following year....stubble turnips til feb.....bare fallow til following march then cereal again.....so land only getting ploughed 1 in 3 years and stubble cultivated once as well

birdcover.....establish late spring then you don't have to touch it til following year

Do you expect to be paid on time and with no deductions, because someone with a clipboard deduced you were 0.05ha under.
Are you prepared to wait for your BPS, because the same clipboard wielding jobsworth, has done a report of his inspection that you won’t get to see and will be held up for 12 months.
These are the questions that need thinking about .

 

[7610 super q]

Are you folks keen on these schemes ? I see 40% voted for fecking hippies ?
If no one entered, would it kill them off ?
Will a good uptake encourage more of these schemes ?
I can't help but think we're making a rod for our own backs ?

 

[spin cycle]

Do you expect to be paid on time and with no deductions, because someone with a clipboard deduced you were 0.05ha under.
Are you prepared to wait for your BPS, because the same clipboard wielding jobsworth, has done a report of his inspection that you won’t get to see and will be held up for 12 months.
These are the questions that need thinking about .

nothing is without it's problems.....i used to grow malting barley....pre gem...nitrogen....retention........beet? .....sheep... market collapsing over night like last spring?.....i mean ,don't get me wrong,of course there are risks but one must hope they've got their act together

less ppl that like the schemes the better though cos makes them keen for those that do

 

[Feldspar]

C'mon. You know it is a five year contract when entering. ANyway I suspect Teslacoils reason was maybe different to yours. Mr coils has realised what a good number AB15 is and thus wishes he had entered all his land into the new gravy train. Did you read Max Hastings article in the Times last Friday. No link afraid,

I was cancelling to start a much more comprehensive scheme. I gave up over £100k of payments to do it. Most of my options were rolled straight into the new scheme with no loss of continuity. I suppose it's fair to say that some things like the new AB8s were not doing much good for the first 18 months, but a lot were rolled over from ELS so were delivering benefits from day 1.

 

[Hindsight]

I was cancelling to start a much more comprehensive scheme. I gave up over £100k of payments to do it. Most of my options were rolled straight into the new scheme with no loss of continuity. I suppose it's fair to say that some things like the new AB8s were not doing much good for the first 18 months, but a lot were rolled over from ELS so were delivering benefits from day 1.

Hi appreciate your issue - I have looked at a couple of schemes where if could wind back time would do things differently. I presume your initial scheme entered land and then not enough option land? I have done a couple of the these schemes for folk on part of land area on basis may enter some more another year.