wood or oil??

[quattro]

There's a few big IFs though. They're plumbed in to things and were lit to soot them up. Own wood pile so no purchases. Someone will know better than me,but as long as the water is warmer coming out than going in,they get paid. Apparently people dunk the output sensor in a thermos flask of hot water for the day and the cheques keep rolling in

Some put them under pig lamps

 

[ollie989898]

in all walks of life sadly there are fraudsters, who give honest hard working men a bad name, they should be named and shamed!

It was a ridiculous idea to pay people money for such things anyway. Same as subsidising Drax to burn biomass.

 

[serf]

There's a few big IFs though. They're plumbed in to things and were lit to soot them up. Own wood pile so no purchases. Someone will know better than me,but as long as the water is warmer coming out than going in,they get paid. Apparently people dunk the output sensor in a thermos flask of hot water for the day and the cheques keep rolling in

Where Theres a scheme there's a schemer !

It's just fraud though at end of day and they should be prepared for concequences if/when caught out !

 

[serf]

It was a ridiculous idea to pay people money for such things anyway. Same as subsidising Drax to burn biomass.

Yep , look what happened in Ireland and they didnt have a two tier payment like here ,

people thought it was to good to be true at start ,
bought down the gov in end ,
barns just glowing on thermal helicams and poor feckers freezing to death in doorways

 

[quattro]

I’ve always said
They should have made you apply to the scheme
And if accepted they should have supplied the boiler and fuel for 20 years
They would have saved Money
And if you weren’t happy with free heat for 20years don’t do it
And no incentive to fiddle anything
But no that’s to simple

 

[ollie989898]

I’ve always said
They should have made you apply to the scheme
And if accepted they should have supplied the boiler and fuel for 20 years
They would have saved Money
And if you weren’t happy with free heat for 20years don’t do it
And no incentive to fiddle anything
But no that’s to simple

Why not just give people free heating oil and be done with it. But no, import woodchip or pellets from half way around the world. Madness.

 

[tullah]

Why not just give people free heating oil and be done with it. But no, import woodchip or pellets from half way around the world. Madness.

No point in having any schemes of any sort. They just make jobs for the boys intruding on our lives with audits and clipboards. We all succumb feeding them tea and biscuits in the hope they'll go easy on us.

 

[serf]

Suppose any business idea dreamt up by a gov is Gona go to sh!t , the two don't mix

 

[Pistonbroke]

Without the incentives, would it still be cheaper to use wood chips for heating poultry sheds? I know one place using four artic loads a week.

 

[quattro]

Wood chip seems to be quite reasonable for heating, but should be local timber naturally dried
seems stupid exporting woodchip and importing pellets from other side of the world

 

[Fogg]

Without the incentives, would it still be cheaper to use wood chips for heating poultry sheds? I know one place using four artic loads a week.

I'm getting 4000kwh for £400, which buy a tonne of pellet, at the moment. So 10p per kwh, and with 6p back in RHI I'm paying 4p per kwh net.

Gas would have to be cheaper than 28p per litre to be giving better value, and it isn't.

So with the incentives it makes sense to use the boiler if you've got one. The bigger picture accounts for repairs and servicing costs, having to use electricty to circulate the hot water, and having £300k tied up in a massive chunk of plant and equipment, with associated finance costs.

Knowing what I know now, if I had a time machine and could go back to 2017 and talk myself into investing in something else I'd jump at the chance. It'd be the second thing I did after going back to 1987 and advising myself to keep out of growing chickens altogther.

 

[Pistonbroke]

I'm getting 400kwh for £400, which buy a tonne of pellet, at the moment. So 10p per kwh, and with 6p back in RHI I'm paying 4p per kwh net.

Gas would have to be cheaper than 28p per litre to be giving better value, and it isn't.

So with the incentives it makes sense to use the boiler if you've got one. The bigger picture accounts for repairs and servicing costs, having to use electricty to circulate the hot water, and having £300k tied up in a massive chunk of plant and equipment, with associated finance costs.

Knowing what I know now, if I had a time machine and could go back to 2017 and talk myself into investing in something else I'd jump at the chance. It's be the second thing I did after going back to 1987 and advising myself to keep out of growing chickens altogther.

I suppose some new build sheds would have ground source or similar, would they?

 

[Fogg]

I believe so. The smart guys are burning their own litter to generate heat.

 

[Fogg]

They're smart with hindsight. I didn't realise nearly all woodpellet was Siberian till Putin invated Ukraine.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

There's a few big IFs though. They're plumbed in to things and were lit to soot them up. Own wood pile so no purchases. Someone will know better than me,but as long as the water is warmer coming out than going in,they get paid. Apparently people dunk the output sensor in a thermos flask of hot water for the day and the cheques keep rolling in

I’m sure that can be done but these people you talk of need to be able to prove where their fuel comes from.

Saying you supply your own isn’t enough, your own timber doesn’t just appear dried in the yard so evidence like forestry ops will be needed.

Here is the flip side, which I suspect 99% of RHI schemes are like.

We convert arb logs in to shred to heat a little village. Our only costs are a shredder hire and some haulage plus obvious running costs. I take pics of the whole operation and save the haulage invoices as proof. Moisture readings monthly with pics to prove it’s dry etc.

One day I’m sure I’ll get inspected and they are bound to find problems but I’ve done all I can to adhere.

I worked out recently I think we have saved around 1 million litres of heating oil so far. Ignoring the immense cost saving, there has to be some environmental upsides here, I should think the fuel in total has travelled less than 15 miles from where it grew to where it’s energy is used.

 

[Funny Farmer]

Why don't you install an oil boiler downstream of your system's heat meter and/or buffer? The experts will confirm but if done that way there is surely no risk of you being accused of trying to cheat the system and you could then freely switch between the two fuels when necessary. I am actually thinking of doing this myself just as a back up in case of a breakdown. My woodchip boiler is now 9 years old so the likelihood of a another breakdown is increasing all the time. The last time I needed a part for the boiler it took ages to get it from Austria, luckily that was in the summertime!

 

[Funny Farmer]

I believe so. The smart guys are burning their own litter to generate heat.

I hear the real smart guys are burning woodchip to dry woodchip to burn to dry wood chip to burn to dry wood chip to burn to dry wood chip ............!

 

[serf]

I hear the real smart guys are burning woodchip to dry woodchip to burn to dry wood chip to burn to dry wood chip to burn to dry wood chip ............!

Don't sound to crazy does it .....

 

[Exfarmer]

Think we have a couple on here doing this

 

[quattro]

I’m sure that can be done but these people you talk of need to be able to prove where their fuel comes from.

Saying you supply your own isn’t enough, your own timber doesn’t just appear dried in the yard so evidence like forestry ops will be needed.

Here is the flip side, which I suspect 99% of RHI schemes are like.

We convert arb logs in to shred to heat a little village. Our only costs are a shredder hire and some haulage plus obvious running costs. I take pics of the whole operation and save the haulage invoices as proof. Moisture readings monthly with pics to prove it’s dry etc.

One day I’m sure I’ll get inspected and they are bound to find problems but I’ve done all I can to adhere.

I worked out recently I think we have saved around 1 million litres of heating oil so far. Ignoring the immense cost saving, there has to be some environmental upsides here, I should think the fuel in total has travelled less than 15 miles from where it grew to where it’s energy is used.

Glen farrow are easiest to fiddle as most are burning straw or pallets etc so easy to fiddle fuel trail