Yet more BBC bias

[Hampton]

Breakfast on BBC this morning featuring an article by a DEFRA 'scientist' vegan parroting the eat less meat to save the planet mantra. Joseph Goebbels was right when he said repeat a lie often enough and the people will believe it. There will be a generation of impressionable young women who are taken in by vegan propaganda and avoid meat and dairy who will have long term health problems, particularly fertility and then osteoporosis after the menopause.
It takes millennia of evolution to change the physiology of a species to adapt to a radical change in diet. Omnivore to herbivore in a generation is not a healthy option.

Exactly, a bit like that lie you have just made about Defra!
They are advocating a balanced meat inclusive diet. Read their guidance

 

[egbert]

What’s are the numbers for turkey vs beef ? I thought poultry was lower carbon / more efficient meat to be honest ?

Cattle might not be as good at converting corn into meat than poultry, but so much of cattle ration is grass...and that could be extended if we were asked.
My own numbers are less than 1 tonne of hard feed to 1 tonne of beef (on the hoof).
Most of the grass is unfertilised.

I'm guessing you'd be a pretty rare turkey farmer to top that.

And compared to lamb? Some of mine never see any corn at all, from conception to being hung up by their little toes.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I get the impression the press and media have backed off a bit , most probably because they are high tax payers

 

[milkloss]

Listened to woman’s hour on radio 4 yesterday arvo. They were discussing eating meat etc and both guests admitted that pasture fed red meat, especially UK grown, is good in moderation and also good for the environment globally..... welfare, food miles etc etc..

it was only really a very short couple of comments but it’s those little reminders that make the difference.

 

[C.J]

Probaly pigs are even better in that way as well, not as good as fish farming tho..

What is fish food made of ?

Baby fish hoovered out of our oceans and shipped half way around the world - hardly enviromentally friendly!

 

[topground]

Exactly, a bit like that lie you have just made about Defra!
They are advocating a balanced meat inclusive diet. Read their guidance

Read the article quoting DEFRA scientist Prof Sis Ian Boyd Sunday Times Dec 8th before you call.me a liar from behind the safety of your keyboard.
Your apology will avoid instructions to Messrs Sue Grabbit and Run.

 

[Hampton]

Read the article quoting DEFRA scientist Prof Sis Ian Boyd Sunday Times Dec 8th before you call.me a liar from behind the safety of your keyboard.
Your apology will avoid instructions to Messrs Sue Grabbit and Run.

You mean Retired, Former Defra scientist Ian Boyd

 

[Exfarmer]

What is fish food made of ?

Baby fish hoovered out of our oceans and shipped half way around the world - hardly enviromentally friendly!

The idiocy is that they hoover up millions of tonnes of Sand eels in the North Sea for this job, these are the bottom of the chain fish which so many species rely on for food, while at the same time millions of tonnes of by catch are thrown away which could play exactly this same role.
Then the environmental scientists blame climate change for falling fish stocks and a decline in sea birds in those areas when it is a lack of prey

 

[SteveHants]

What is fish food made of ?

Baby fish hoovered out of our oceans and shipped half way around the world - hardly enviromentally friendly!

Doesn't have to be though - and what you are talking about is mostly feed for salmonids.
Feather and bloodmeal are both very good protein sources for fish feed, but they seem to be banned for public perception of the risk involved in using them after FMD - the difference being that salmonids are carnivourous and should have no problem with animal protien sources.

Much more efficient than salmonids are carp, tilapia, pangassuis etc who really don't need much in the way of fishmeal.
A FCR of 1 is easily achievable in fish.

 

[Cowgirl]

Caught the end of a question and answer session with Jo Swinson on BBC this morning just after ten. Farmer phoned in asking how they would protect the public from imported meat of dubious welfare status. To give her her due Jo Swinson started talking about sustainability etc and the presenter asked her if she would recommend stopping eating meat. The farmer questioner started to say more and before Swinson could reply the presenter cut her off.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Eat less meat is just a distraction from the real issue of fossil fuel dependence. Vested interests have too much to lose not to be grasping at straws. Unfortunately they have their man in the White House so the lies will keep coming.

Not entirely fair, when you have the choice for president between two liars, which liar do you choose?
Probably the one that's less likely to get you killed.
No , not joking either.

 

[primmiemoo]

I heard the half arsed apology mentioned in the OP - whoever the male presenter is delivered it dismissively, as though he imagined the complaints came from children, imv.

I also heard the next item. Boy did the presenters sit up straight, and mind their P's and Q's!

Their guest was some sort of motivational speaker - a highly conventional sounding one, attempting to spin how unusual he is, and what a rebel he is - busy plugging his consultancy and his book.

Boy, did the presenters plug that book. He worked his 'fluence on them extraordinarily well, I felt. Gullible pair.

 

[milkloss]

Listened to woman’s hour on radio 4 yesterday arvo. They were discussing eating meat etc and both guests admitted that pasture fed red meat, especially UK grown, is good in moderation and also good for the environment globally..... welfare, food miles etc etc..

it was only really a very short couple of comments but it’s those little reminders that make the difference.

Had a few likes on my post above so I thought I’d better try and find it and listen to it again!!

Woman's Hour - Green Christmas Food, Gaia Vince, Glass Walls - BBC Sounds

How to make your Christmas food as green and ethical as possible.

www.bbc.co.uk

There’s good comments and bad but in general I thought it was a practical and honest chat considering one of the ladies had written a book about veganism called ‘veganish’.

have a listen, I’d be interested to hear what you think. It starts at about 4mins and ends 10 mins or so.

 

[fudge]

Not entirely fair, when you have the choice for president between two liars, which liar do you choose?
Probably the one that's less likely to get you killed.
No , not joking either.

My comment was absolutely fair on Trump’s attitude to climate change. He will say anything to protect the fossil fuel industry. BTW there is nothing more deadly than climate change. No, not joking either.

 

[icanshootwell]

Caught the end of a question and answer session with Jo Swinson on BBC this morning just after ten. Farmer phoned in asking how they would protect the public from imported meat of dubious welfare status. To give her her due Jo Swinson started talking about sustainability etc and the presenter asked her if she would recommend stopping eating meat. The farmer questioner started to say more and before Swinson could reply the presenter cut her off.

That,s why all these phone in,s, debates, are sh!t, bbc, channel 4 etc have all the questions pre planned and audience hand picked. I have not heard one question over the election period about the state of immigration and the state of our housing, which puts pressure on our schools doctors etc, and why is it necessary to build on green field sites. The road net work in this country can,t cope as it is, the amount of new housing estates in our area is crazy.? Better not say to much, someone be along soon calling me a racist. Its surprising how free speech is being taken away from us under our noses, even our comics arn,t funny any more because they can,t take the pee out of anybody anymore.

 

[nick...]

And all the left wing audience picked for question time and other political programmes to give the Tories a hard time
Nick...

 

[Agrivator]

At the end of Andrew Neil's interview with Nigel Farage, did anyone see his anti Conservative Party Political Broadcast?
I hadn't realised how bitter he is that he was denied the opportunity and publicity of trying to destroy Boris.

 

[egbert]

Just a by-the-by.
I maintain 'friendships' with various people on social media so I can watch em.
Included are one or two rabid lefties....who are always convinced the Beeb is biased against the left.
Likewise, they're fixated that the MSM (mainstream media) is being manipulated by the rich elite - over and above the likes of the newspaper magnates.
I've tried asking how come i'm allowed to say pretty much anything in a newspaper, only being reined in when it's getting litigious, or overly vulgar.
To that they have no answer.

 

[Macsky]

Funny how I've never seen anyone here complaining about the BBC's anti Palestine, Russian, Chinese or even Corbyn bias. Seems it's only bias if it personally affects you.

Problem with all the mainstream media is who controls the narrative, there is no such thing as independent reporting. If someone sends the BBC a press release to say it's raining and another sends one to say it's sunny they should be poking their head of the window and telling us which is true, not quoting the one that's fits their agenda.

What’s funny about it? Seems perfectly obvious that bias against a specific industry would be flagged on a forum dedicated to that industry, no?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Eat less meat is just a distraction from the real issue of fossil fuel dependence. Vested interests have too much to lose not to be grasping at straws. Unfortunately they have their man in the White House so the lies will keep coming.

25,000+ years ago Europe had 1km of Ice ALL over. In fact it was both hemispheres.

CO2 was 180ppm

ALL that ICE has melted with CO2 around 180ppm - today it's about 400ppm.

Note that the industrial revolution was about 150 years ago.
Note that this has happened MANY times in the history of the Earth. In fact Ice Caps are not a normal situation for the Earth at all.
Note that "Normal" temperatures for the Earth is higher than today .. unsurprising given the Earth is just coming out of an Ice Age.

I'd say the Climate Lunatics are the ones telling lies .. and the reason is purely down to making money out of taxing the poor to give to the rich.