Young Farmers The End ?

[Rowland]

Did you see first time farmers? I bet it had higher viewing figures than countryfile or country show down

Yes it’s was fairly boring managed a few episodes , some of it was ok.

 

[PaulNix]

The cancelling of the AGM was more to do with the membership rejecting the big hike in subs and the national exec punishing those who voted against the motion.

 

[Tarw Coch]

The cancelling of the AGM was more to do with the membership rejecting the big hike in subs and the national exec punishing those who voted against the motion.

Not sure how to reply to that................... oh I know, Bollox

 

[CornishTone]

The cancelling of the AGM was more to do with the membership rejecting the big hike in subs and the national exec punishing those who voted against the motion.

Wasn’t the “big hike” something like £5?! Bet they wish they voted for it now then!:snigger:

It was about the behaviour of a few imbeciles and they couldn’t figure out how to control them or keep their antics off social media, nothing more! The risk was getting too great for the organisation, or more precisely, the people at the top paid to be responsible for the organisation. So a cop out by the big wigs in other words!

I fear the result, as some have said, will be a large number making their own way to Blackpool in the name of NFYFC but without the boundaries offered by the organisation. It’ll be like Lord of the Flies, YFC Style! 20 years ago I’d have been all over that... now I think it could be a bit of a worry!

 

[Scholsey]

Yes it’s was fairly boring managed a few episodes , some of it was ok.

Well imagine that mixed with Love Island, Geordie Shores, Made in Chelsea and The only way is Essex and i think that will be what will happen.

 

[Rowland]

Well imagine that mixed with Love Island, Geordie Shores, Made in Chelsea and The only way is Essex and i think that will be what will happen.

Never seen any of those programs so can’t comment other than to say it sounds ghastly

 

[Farmbrick]

The cancelling of the AGM was more to do with the membership rejecting the big hike in subs and the national exec punishing those who voted against the motion.

Funny you should say that as the subs increase was partly intended to insulate National in the event of the AGM failing.

Whatever the reason, the consultation period on what to do with the AGM wasn't due to close until the end of September. That would suggest that National were glad to be rid. I am sure it was a major organisational undertaking even without the recent bother.

 

[Wolds Beef]

Yes, but what do you employ national staff for, not to twiddle there thumbs! All it needs is a bit of lateral thought and taken away from spots where trouble can be made. Have something more like a festival or something!!
WB

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Did my first AGM this year and absolutely loved it! What a weekend, fair play! It was absolutely what I needed to get away from the job for a few days. Was mad keen to get going again when we got back, a little sluggish for a few days but keen all the same!

I remember saying to some of the boys I was amazed at how little 'nonsense' there was.... I knew nothing of what had happened in the road till near 2 weeks after! Yeah you get the odd scuffle but nothing to worry about, everyone's just there for a good time and to wind down a bit before the summer work really kicks off.

It's a massive shame they've actually gone and knocked it on the head, I was mad keen for next year! Looks as if half the country are going to go that way anyway.... the general feel for YFC at Blackpool was very good, obviously its all about the £££ but even besides that they loved the atmosphere it created.

As many well know YFC do a shed load for charities, it's a shame things like that just get completely forgotten about when things like this happen.... young farmers absolutely NEED things like YFC in order to have a life outside of the job, year on year it seems to be being made more difficult to do so. The increase in levys? Would be easy enough to stomach, was going to be a £5 increase or something? Not 100% sure.

Start neglecting and knackering up things with YFC then expect a definite knock on affect with mental health issues. Bit brutal? Maybe, but it's just the truth.

 

[Clayfarmer]

Did my first AGM this year and absolutely loved it! What a weekend, fair play! It was absolutely what I needed to get away from the job for a few days. Was mad keen to get going again when we got back, a little sluggish for a few days but keen all the same!

I remember saying to some of the boys I was amazed at how little 'nonsense' there was.... I knew nothing of what had happened in the road till near 2 weeks after! Yeah you get the odd scuffle but nothing to worry about, everyone's just there for a good time and to wind down a bit before the summer work really kicks off.

It's a massive shame they've actually gone and knocked it on the head, I was mad keen for next year! Looks as if half the country are going to go that way anyway.... the general feel for YFC at Blackpool was very good, obviously its all about the £££ but even besides that they loved the atmosphere it created.

As many well know YFC do a shed load for charities, it's a shame things like that just get completely forgotten about when things like this happen.... young farmers absolutely NEED things like YFC in order to have a life outside of the job, year on year it seems to be being made more difficult to do so. The increase in levys? Would be easy enough to stomach, was going to be a £5 increase or something? Not 100% sure.

Start neglecting and knackering up things with YFC then expect a definite knock on affect with mental health issues. Bit brutal? Maybe, but it's just the truth.

I would say that was the most accurate post about the AGM and YFC I have read, you have hit the nail on the head with everything you said. Having done several AGMs myself I can vouch for that.

 

[New holland]

Don't the wales YFC do a event at the Royal Welsh show the young people's village some one said a good week they could do something there

 

[thesilentone]

Did my first AGM this year and absolutely loved it! What a weekend, fair play! It was absolutely what I needed to get away from the job for a few days. Was mad keen to get going again when we got back, a little sluggish for a few days but keen all the same!

I remember saying to some of the boys I was amazed at how little 'nonsense' there was.... I knew nothing of what had happened in the road till near 2 weeks after! Yeah you get the odd scuffle but nothing to worry about, everyone's just there for a good time and to wind down a bit before the summer work really kicks off.

It's a massive shame they've actually gone and knocked it on the head, I was mad keen for next year! Looks as if half the country are going to go that way anyway.... the general feel for YFC at Blackpool was very good, obviously its all about the £££ but even besides that they loved the atmosphere it created.

As many well know YFC do a shed load for charities, it's a shame things like that just get completely forgotten about when things like this happen.... young farmers absolutely NEED things like YFC in order to have a life outside of the job, year on year it seems to be being made more difficult to do so. The increase in levys? Would be easy enough to stomach, was going to be a £5 increase or something? Not 100% sure.

Start neglecting and knackering up things with YFC then expect a definite knock on affect with mental health issues. Bit brutal? Maybe, but it's just the truth.

Very eloquent, however so far off the mark.

The level of complaints from Blackpool will keep the employees of the NFYFC busy for some considerable time to come. The idiots who acted like out of control yobos, were simply the catalyst to what has been a ticking time-bomb for years. Change in-line with Industry has been needed for sometime.

Farming is suffering from poor PR, most of which is self inflicted - sadly.

Allowing out of control yobs (who probably only joined to be at the AGM) to masquerade as young-farmers was painful to watch for the genuine hard working young farming majority, however it was also an example to everyone of why change is needed.

The general culture of binge drinking (the modern scourge of the young) is fit and well, this is not something previous generations have had to deal with.

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Very eloquent, however so far off the mark.

The level of complaints from Blackpool will keep the employees of the NFYFC busy for some considerable time to come. The idiots who acted like out of control yobos, were simply the catalyst to what has been a ticking time-bomb for years. Change in-line with Industry has been needed for sometime.

Farming is suffering from poor PR, most of which is self inflicted - sadly.

Allowing out of control yobs (who probably only joined to be at the AGM) to masquerade as young-farmers was painful to watch for the genuine hard working young farming majority, however it was also an example to everyone of why change is needed.

The general culture of binge drinking (the modern scourge of the young) is fit and well, this is not something previous generations have had to deal with.

Really? From who exactly? A small number of local residents maybe, but I know for a fact many; taxi drivers, shop owners, pubs and clubs absolutely loved us there. What has gone on is usually no different to what happens most weekends in a lot of towns and cities anyway. High profile footballers get up to all sorts and get dealt with accordingly, you don't see the F.A. cancelling the champions league over it.

I did get some random Irish bloke call me and a friend over and ask what we thought we were doing (we were walking by the seafront) so I was getting ready to explain what the AGM was about, he then proceeds to ask me what we thought we looked like, (club tops, jeans, straw hat) then before I could get a word in, told us to f-off cos we were upsetting his wife.... Luckily cos me and my friend were just there for a good time and not a fight we just laughed and walked off, now had that been one of the more highly strung members it would have been a brawl!

I don't for one second believe it's just todays young farmers that are the yobbos or big drinkers, there are blokes I know in their 50s and 60s who were always known for scrapping and binge drinking back in 'their day' it just wasn't caught on snapchat or uploaded to bloody facebook.

Yes, people take the mick, but what are you going to do about it? I've only been YFC 5 years and all the time it's been ''We need to change this, we need to change that....'' has anything changed? Absolutely not. I've been trying to get a ball rolling the last 2 years about trying to encourage new members, as new sign ups are at a record low, so much so 2 out of 6 of the clubs in our county have had to amalgamate or face folding completely. I've been trying to voice something about the blatant bias at competitions and I'm just met with ''That's how its always been, it wont make any difference.''

Nothing gets done, nothing ever changes, I'm not blaming our top table at all as our top table are an amazing bunch of people and absolutely put their hearts and souls into YFC. They are just unfortunately determined by the people at national level who seem like they wouldn't have idea which is left and which is right, what colour the sky is or what day it is tomorrow.

Something as simple as National getting on to all the clubs in the country and saying, look, if you do this or that or get caught doing whatever, you will have your membership revoked and that's it. This can then be relayed to members through business meetings, social media, the yfc magazine that goes out, whatever. It can't be that hard to do as it seems quite easy to make contact when they want more money for something.

 

[thesilentone]

Quote NFYFC

"We work closely with and plan extensively with the local authorities in the run up to each event and have close contact with the police during the weekend too. The number of arrests in 2018 was low but the number of complaints from members of the public was extremely high – creating a generally negative impression of YFC and the work it does because of the wide-spread poor behaviour across the town."

Perhaps what you deem as acceptable behavior Ali_Maxxum is not how other people see it.

How do you interpret people being polite and nice to you as "absolutely loved us" ?

Why do you think you may have been treated differently to any other visitors to Blackpool, whether it be families, stag nights or hen nights ?

If you think Yobos representing the YFC is "no different to what happens most weekends in a lot of towns and cities " then it appears you may be part of the problem, as you clearly do not understand what is a stake when idiots let the whole side down, and jeopardize the future enjoyment for others, as well as presenting the Industry in a terrible light.

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Quote NFYFC

"We work closely with and plan extensively with the local authorities in the run up to each event and have close contact with the police during the weekend too. The number of arrests in 2018 was low but the number of complaints from members of the public was extremely high – creating a generally negative impression of YFC and the work it does because of the wide-spread poor behaviour across the town."

Perhaps what you deem as acceptable behavior Ali_Maxxum is not how other people see it.

How do you interpret people being polite and nice to you as "absolutely loved us" ?

Why do you think you may have been treated differently to any other visitors to Blackpool, whether it be families, stag nights or hen nights ?

If you think Yobos representing the YFC is "no different to what happens most weekends in a lot of towns and cities " then it appears you may be part of the problem, as you clearly do not understand what is a stake when idiots let the whole side down, and jeopardize the future enjoyment for others, as well as presenting the Industry in a terrible light.

What is ''acceptable'' is a matter of opinion unless you're breaking a law. What some people see as a bit of fun other people see as a deadly sin i.e. day time drinking, wearing a cone down the street, etc.

I interpreted it by the amount of people from actual Blackpool saying ''We love it when you guys are here.'' ?

I didn't say we were treated any differently, it was just nice to be away from reality (middle of a field in back end nowhere) for 3 days and be spoken about in such a positive light by people I've never met.

I personally am not part of the problem, if you knew me or anything about me then you would agree. I fully understand what is at stake which is why it's so annoying when idiots do what they do and let the rest of us down.

 

[CornishTone]

Quote NFYFC

"We work closely with and plan extensively with the local authorities in the run up to each event and have close contact with the police during the weekend too. The number of arrests in 2018 was low but the number of complaints from members of the public was extremely high – creating a generally negative impression of YFC and the work it does because of the wide-spread poor behaviour across the town."

Perhaps what you deem as acceptable behavior Ali_Maxxum is not how other people see it.

How do you interpret people being polite and nice to you as "absolutely loved us" ?

Why do you think you may have been treated differently to any other visitors to Blackpool, whether it be families, stag nights or hen nights ?

If you think Yobos representing the YFC is "no different to what happens most weekends in a lot of towns and cities " then it appears you may be part of the problem, as you clearly do not understand what is a stake when idiots let the whole side down, and jeopardize the future enjoyment for others, as well as presenting the Industry in a terrible light.

The Chamber of Commerce from both Torquay and Blackpool have said YFC are welcome back if they change their mind, even the Mayor of Torquay has said they’re welcome back. Hardly the response you’d expect if they truely disgrace themselves every year.

The years I was a national rep, the Police from both towns praised the members and organisers for their efforts and behaviour, despite the odd indiscretion. It’s easier to police people you can see and identify and, clearly, YFC stand out like a sore thumb! They have said on more than one occasion that there’s generally less trouble on an YFC weekend than a normal one as local trouble makers don’t bother to come into town.

I think part of the problem with complaints has always been that there is someone to complain to. You can’t complain about a stag do or a birthday party that gets out of control, but you can complain about a large, organised group very easily. The other part of the problem is that social media gives a platform to the small number of morons who want to be a 5 minute star. This is the risk that is at the core of the boards decision I believe.

Anyway, that decision is now made, for better or worse, and the membership needs to make sure that this PR disaster doesn’t overshadow the amazing work done by 99.9% of the members. If any good is to come out of this, hopefully that 0.1% of members, most of whom I suspect are these hangers on, will see no reason to join next year.

 

[Farmbrick]

Quote NFYFC

"We work closely with and plan extensively with the local authorities in the run up to each event and have close contact with the police during the weekend too. The number of arrests in 2018 was low but the number of complaints from members of the public was extremely high – creating a generally negative impression of YFC and the work it does because of the wide-spread poor behaviour across the town.".

National did actually ask people to complain in the days following the agm. The request was put out on social media linked in to Blackpool. They would inevitably have got a mass of complaints ranging from people who had issues to people with issues (militant vegans, keyboard warriors, NIMBY s etc).

Now if the NFU or Farm Assurance asked people to complain about tractors on the roads at harvest time....can you imagine the response and the result?. I don't think we would be driving tractors anymore.

 

[jimmer]

Most of the people , myself included ,go/went to nationals for the social element , most don't go ,or have any intentions of going to the debates , the competition's or the pre organised daytime events
Anyone who is anyone can tag along with the members , the only thing they might not get, is tickets to the evening do's
Short of booking up a Butlins type place and keeping everything on campus , the daytime shenanigans will inevitably go on within the eyeshot of the public

 

[Tarw Coch]

Most of the people , myself included ,go/went to nationals for the social element , most don't go ,or have any intentions of going to the debates , the competition's or the pre organised daytime events
Anyone who is anyone can tag along with the members , the only thing they might not get, is tickets to the evening do's
Short of booking up a Butlins type place and keeping everything on campus , the daytime shenanigans will inevitably go on within the eyeshot of the public

Did Butlins Minehead in 92 I think it was.
That made national front page headlines as apparently some had ventured into town and caused havoc...........or at least that’s what the papers said, no smart phones back then to document what happened.

 

[Hardyspicer]

My opinion is it's embarrassing for the industry and doesn't help the negative public opinion. Never been on AGM but know many that have and I've heard the stories of anti social antics. The local yfc have a bad reputation locally having been banned from most pubs and the area through bad language, food fights and general idiocy.
p.s before someone says it, I'm not a grumpy old man I'm a 22yo farm worker and non member